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GUS: Go.
FAN: Hey guys, uh, this was about two years ago, it was right before you guys released the
Recollection, uh I was pre-ordering it, and I happened to go to the little notes section in the
ordering area? I just happened to mention and say hey this comes out a couple days after I
deploy, I was going to Iraq, and uhh I just happened to mention it and was like hey if you guys can ship it out any earlier anything like that, and lo and behold, the day before I deployed the box showed up at my house. I don’t know if you guys did that intentionally I don’t want to get anyone in trouble if they weren’t supposed to do that, but I just wanted to say, thank you. That really meant a lot to me…
BURNIE: No, well thank you, because we have obviously, because of the nature of Red vs Blue we have uhh a lot of people in the military who watch the show, and one of the most disturbing things of all is when they come and they talk to us about it, they always tell us how everyone in their troupe or platoon are like the characters in Red vs Blue? And the guy who’s like Caboose always runs the biggest piece of equipment. There is literally a guy wh- they-they were introducing us to everyone and he was like yeah he’s just like Caboose, and I was like what do you do? And he goes, ”I run long range artillery.” I was like oh god, please no so… So th- I’m gla-I’m glad it got to you before you were deployed, so…
GUS: Yeah.
BURNIE: I’m glad that worked out.
GUS: Yeah, come up here I’mma I’mma give you more stuff.
CROWD: -cheers-
BURNIE: Gus, you want us to wrap up? You want us to wrap up? Okay, I have the honours duty trying to tell us that we have to wrap up, and that probably means we’ll be done in about 20 minutes.
CROWD: Awwwwwwww…
JACK: BOOOOOOOOO.
BURNIE: Yeah, okay.
FAN: I just have a quick question for uhh Gus? Uhh did you enjoy bag of Funions I brought you?
BURNIE: Ohhh no…
GUS: Y-O-O-Okay sorry. Wait for a second here. I was so sleep deprived and delirious this
morning that I actually started- Yeah give him that to…- I actually started eating them. Uhmm, and they were delicious. So I decided since I hate Funions I-I’d renamed them to “Fun-Yums”? Uhh, so I wrote over them with a marker “Fun-Yums” so my bag of Fun-Yums was absolutely delicious. I-If you follow me in Twitter I think I even tweeted a picture of it and tagged it. Hashtagged it to RTX2012. ‘Cause I wa-
BURNIE: OH. I-I DID IT!
FRANK: Yeah, yeah, he did it.
BURNIE: And now I never want to stop!
GUS: Alright.
BURNIE: D-you- You saw it right?
GUS: Yeah I saw-
FRANK: As it turns out, if you play with your- anyone who has tried that are able to do it so…
GUS: E-Enough of playing with veins in your hand. Uhm…
JOEL: That’s probably-
JACK: No he was fucking with his hand.
BURNIE: Yeah.
FRANK: Oh I can do it too.
GUS: We should wrap this shit u-
BURNIE: OH YOU CAN DO IT! This is-
FRANK: yeah. Everyone can do it, sorry bro. Your super power’s- is quite common.
BURNIE: Yeah. Turns out you kinda suck.
GUS: Should we take any more questions or should we wrap this up?
BURNIE: I guess we should probably wrap it up I-I-
FRANK: C-Can I say something before I go, ‘cause I gotta get on a plane.
BURNIE: Yeah, hey Frank, what have you gotta say.
FRANK: I-I just wanted to say thanks for- thanks to Rooster Teeth for putting on a really
spectacular and expanded convention. And uh… And thanks fo- thanks for having one of th-the best largest and best energy internet communities in obviously Rooster Teeth’s umbrella and also the Machinima umbrella but w-we think of you guys as an extension of our community as well and w-we’re grateful to- th-the relationship that we have with you guys. Uhmm and uh, I have to go get on a plane.
BURNIE: Oh right.
FRANK: Thank you.
BURNIE: Thank you Frank! And I bet he’s really wishing he said that just before the first
Holocaust reference. I- the timing could've been a little bit better. I can’t think of anything we could possibly say after that to wrap up any better, so, Gus?
GUS: W-We always wrap up with uh “Where you wanna go for lunch.”
BURNIE: Where do you wanna go for lunch?
GUS: I already ate lunch. L-Let’s go for dinner.
JACK: Dinner.
BURNIE: I-I think today- I think I might venture down to Homeslice.
GUS: I’m wearing a Homeslice shirt!
BURNIE: Oh really?
GUS: -My wife hates this shirt.
BURNIE: Where you guys goin’?
JACK: I ordered a Homeslice shirt yesterday actually.
BURNIE: Monty, did you have anything you wanted to say?
MONTY: I-I tried to go to Fogo, but they were fuckin’ closed this morning, what the fuck.
BURNIE: It’s-
GUS: It’s morning!
BURNIE –It’s Sunday at 10am!
MONTY: Th-Th- I think I ordered at Double Dave’s, th-the pizza buffet?
BURNIE: Oh that sounds good.
JACK: You went from Fogo De Chao to Double Daves.
MONTY: Well Fogo’s like right across the street.
BURNIE: It’s all just buffet. Monty doesn’t mind. I, okay, thanks very much for coming out to the first live-
JOEL: Anyone happen to have a Corona on you? Don’t go backstage, because they do not
approve of that.
GUS: Alright, well thank you everyone.
BURNIE: Thank you!
JOEL: Thank you.
94:56 Non RTX Recorded Section
GUS: Hey everyone. We have a special guest with us right now. We have uh John Erler from-
BRANDON: Oh. Thought you were talking about me.
GUS: No, not you Brandon. John uh from the Master Pancake group who also plays a voice in Red vs Blue. Uh, thanks for joining us, John!
JOHN: It’s great to be here, thanks for having me.
BRANDON: He’s the voice of Agent North.
JOHN: That’s right.
BRANDON: Now a proud father of the uh Theta AI.
JOHN: I am a very nurturing character.
BRANDON: I don’t know if you saw the most recent episode, but he has a skateboard now? So now you can yell at him w-
JOHN: That’s not true.
BRANDON: Dumb kid.
JOHN: That’s not true.
BRANDON: He really does!
GUS: He really does have a skateboard.
JOHN: Is that true, I haven’t seen that.
GUS: The-Theta’s totally extreme.
JOHN: That is not true, I did- Are you guys pulling my leg?
GUS: I wish we were. No no no, yeah it’s a uh-
JOHN: I-I do know that some weird things happen to the AIs, I know that there’s one who’s
continuously on fire.
GUS: Yes.
JOHN: Uhmm.
GUS: That’s uh Sigma who’s uh the one voiced by Elijah Wood.
BRANDON: And that premiered last night. So there’s a big Elijah Wood premier.
GUS: Yes.
JOHN: That’s pretty exciting. Wh- Can I ask, y’know I love playing North and uhm Rooster Teeth is the best and Red vs Blue is the best but I- there’s some plot points that I don’t… uhhh, I don’t get all the plot points. Uhhmm so why is Sigma on fire?
GUS: He is a representation of- and Burnie Burns would be a much better person to answer this question, but I’ll do my best to answer it.
JOHN: Could you do it in the voice of Burnie Burns?
GUS: I don’t have any friend chicken to put in my mouth right now. So that’d be kind of difficult. Uhh he’s supposed to be a representation of anger and uh rage.
JOHN: I see.
BRANDON: And isn’t- Sigma is uhh creativity as I understand it.
GUS: Sorry. Creativity.
BRANDON: Uhh, anger is the uhh… Omega.
GUS: Correct, correct.
BRANDON: Yess.
GUS: You are- you are correct!
JOHN: Whoa.
GUS: S-So uh to answer your question, I don’t know why he’s on fire.
JOHN: Uh i-it looks cool though.
GUS: I-I think maybe we’ll find out. Some point this season.
JOHN: Yeah. I feel li-
BRANDON: Someone’s gotta be…
JOHN: Yeah. It’s really sinister that he’s on fire all the time. I feel like he’s broadcasting from hell or something.
GUS: Uhm, h-him being on fire is a pain in the ass because it takes a lot longer to render those sequences anytime there’s something on fire. Uhh there’s a lot that goes on with that.
JOHN: Yep. Fire and water, they’re tough.
GUS: Yeah. Gotta to make it look anymore realistic. Uh anyway, th-th- we-we- as much as I love to talk about Red vs Blue, we didn’t bring you on here to have an exclusive Red vs Blue discussion.
JOHN: We didn’t?
GUS: We wanted to talk about some of your other-
JOHN: Oh!
GUS: -Projects to let people know about them.
JOHN: Well uhmm, we are, uhhh- as you mentioned I do a comedy show here in Austin, it’s a very popular show at the Alamo Drafthouse, which is a fantastic theatre, one of the best theatres in the country. You get to eat food and drink beer and they have all kinds of wonderful events, but we do a weekly show, sort of like an MST3K style movie mocking show called Master Pancake Theatre, and uhm, y-know-y’know we make fun of uhm… Most of the bad movies and a few good movies too. Uhh, but we will be taking our show to the great Northwest in late July, so I just wanted to give a heads-up to folks who live out there, or if you know anybody who lives in Seattle and Portland uhh Master Pancake will be visiting your town very soon. On July 19th we’ll be in Seattle, and we’ll be playing at the uhh- the S- I- the SIFF theatre, it’s a-an acronym, the S-I-F-F, the Seattle International Film Festival up town-
GUS: Is it across the street from the Jedi theatre?
JOHN: I w- I would love it if that were the case. Uhmm but we’ll be at the SIFF up town on the 19th in Seattle, and then the 20th and the 21st we’ll be in Portland at Cinema 21.
GUS: So for people who aren’t familiar with y’know Master Pancake or MST3K-
JOHN: Oh. I-
GUS: Maybe there’s a couple of them-
JOHN: I would assume with your listeners that everyone would know what MST3K is, BUT on the off chance that there’s nobody who knows what that is, first off go watch some MST3K DVDs and get up to speed. Second of all uhmm, we uhh- it’s basically me a three other comedians sitting in the first row with microphones and talking smack over the movie, and uh- and we will be doing Twilight in uh Seattle and Portland, which is one of our funnest, funniest shows and one of my favourite movies to do because A) It’s just so bad and I think everybody knows it and B) its wildly popular for some reason.
GUS: Some reason.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: Uhm it-
JOHN: Have you guys… seen the Twilight movies?
GUS: I have- I-I-I’m uhm sorry to say I haven’t gotten-
JOHN: Yep.
GUS: -around to watching those yet. If I were to watch them I think any Master Pancake showing would be the ideal way to do that.
BRANDON: That’s how I saw the first one. And there’s like two moments that I’ll always take with me: One was- I guess there’s one point where he saves her from the truck?
JOHN: Yeah.
BRANDON: I you re-edit it to where there’s an explosion and then the end credits come in like thirty minutes into the movie.
JOHN: It’s fun, w-we mess with the movie a little bit, but yeah.
BRANDON: And the other one was every time you see her crappy pick-up truck there was the theme from uhh Sanford In-Son?
JOHN: Yeah, that’s it.
BRANDON: Bwo-bwo-bwowow.
GUS: Bwo-bwo-bada-bada-daaa.
BRANDON: So it’s fun to see that little thing coming back over and over and over, but that was the first time I saw the movie. Was at Master Pancake.
JOHN: It’s really long running joke and I guess that’s the one difference between us and MST3k, we try to take it a little further by not only talking over the movie but actually uh, editing it sometimes uh, by adding extra music in like the Sanford and Son theme or uh, uh, adding special effects like uh, Bella getting blown up from getting hit by a truck in the parking lot of her high school.
GUS: So, the Alamo normally discourages people from talking during the show-
JOHN: Yep.
GUS: -but, it seems like they’re definitely encouraging you to talk to the show- over the show.
JOHN: Yes, our shows, it’s like uh, it’s a special case I guess uh, and- and still, we don’t like the audience to talk during those shows, it really is just the three comedians with the microphones who are talking during that.
GUS: Have you ever had a problem with someone trying t- to join or hijack the show?
JOHN: Uh, every now and then but- but most of the time they’re just drunk y’know, and having a good time and if- if they get too outta control then we’ll have somebody kick them out. Um, but uh, we do- we do have some audience participation in the form of a drinking game. Uhm, so uh, every time some, y’know, recurring theme happens in the movie we’ll decide before the movie starts, with the audience, what they want to shout out uh, when that happens and that’s pretty fun.
GUS: Mhm.
BRANDON: What was the uh, the cue for the Jurassic Park show?
JOHN: The uh, the? It was actually a double drinking game for the Jurassic Park show uh, one was every time Jeff Goldbloom makes a witty one-liner uh, you take a drink, which really, if you’re paying any attention at all will get you shit-faced by the end of the movie. Um, and the other one was a- anytime a body of water ripples in the movie uh, you take a drink, which of course happens every time the T-Rex shows up.
GUS: Mhm.
JOHN: So . . .
GUS: Yeah, that was like a- a cool thing they did in that movie the first time, when you see the little bottle of- the little cup of water starts shaking when the T-Rex approaches and then they really fall in love with that idea and they do it a lot.
JOHN: Over and over again, yeah. An- and the uh, RTX crew- we, we performed for RTX on uh, Saturday, and by the way, what a great time I think everybody had there, that was an amazing, amazing-
GUS: Great.
JOHN: -job you guys did. Um-
GUS: Thanks.
JOHN: -and y’know, it’s just gonna get bigger and bigger every year um, but everybody I saw there was having a great time. I had a blast but we, we performed a Jurassic Park show there and uh, the audience, we asked them what did they want to shout out for the drinking game and somehow, I don’t know how but the audience as a group decided they wanted to shout out, “Hey titties” everytime.
GUS: Wh- why not? If you have to shout out something why not something you’re enthusiastic about?
BRANDON: You can’t- you can’t say that word without smiling.
GUS: Yeah.
BRANDON: Like, it’s impossible to have a frown and and say titties.
JOHN: That’s right.
BRANDON: That- that’s right, it doesn’t work.
JOHN: You can’t do it.
GUS: I’m thinking about the word and I- We’re just immature, I think we’re all eight years old.
JOHN: That’s true.
GUS: So yeah, you had a show on a- on Saturday evening uh, at RTX-
JOHN: Yep.
GUS: -which- which uh, was not available for streaming unfortunately.
JOHN: Due to legal reasons.
GUS: Mhm.
JOHN: Yep.
GUS: It was a- it was a good time I hear, I wish I could have made it up there but I was-
JOHN: It was a lot of fun.
GUS: -I was busy walking around like a zombie trying to deal with other issues.
JOHN: Well there was so many things going on, did- did you end up having a good time or did you feel like you were working for most of it?
GUS: Oh, I- I got to the convention centre I think, at 8am on Thursday and I really left on Monday at 2pm. So, it was- it was a lot of work.
BRANDON: The answers no.
JOHN: You literally didn’t leave from Thursday till Monday.
GUS: I- I slept, I would leave to sleep two or three hours at a time.
JOHN: Wow.
GUS: But that was about it. It really doesn’t count. I- I’m told that uh, on Saturday night my wife was talking to me like, I went back to sleep for a couple hours, my wife was talking to me and in mid sentence in my reply I just fell asleep. And that was it. So uh, I’m glad to hear tha- that it went well for you guys and uh, that you had a good time, that makes me so happy um, that everything went okay. We had a little bit of trouble getting a Blu-Ray player that would work.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: So we could get our audio so luckily, I think it was your girlfriend that came through in a pinch.
JOHN: My girlfriend Joanna, if she’s listening thank you so much honey, yeah uh, at the last minute I called her up and said, “can you bring our DVD player from home down here?” and uh, she brought it and everything was fine.
GUS: Yeah, we had one of those stupid Blu-Ray players that doesn’t have standard audio outputs.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: So, there was no to-
BRANDON: When they said that I was like, that’s ridiculous. Like, who would make a Blu-Ray player that doesn’t have audio- like, RCA audio out.
GUS: Yeah, those little proprietary plugs.
JOHN: Ye- yeah, what’s the point of that? Like, re-really what?
GUS: So you can only buy their speakers.
JOHN: I see.
GUS: So you have to buy-
BRANDON: Un-named company brand.
GUS: Thanks Sony. I’ll say it, I don’t care, what’ve they got?
BRANDON: Uh, it let me demonstrate that picture I had from Armageddon, it was a Sony TV um, and they had a reel going, this was after the show had finished and you know the reel had gone- had ended and it went back to the um, the i-movie menu so, there was like a Sony TV with the Sony logo “Make believe” and the video on it was little i-movie default menu.
GUS: Yeah.
BRANDON: A little apple logo in the corner.
GUS: Yeah, I- I know that, that reel you’re talking about really well, that, that menu screen, I’ve used that one many times.
BRANDON: You know who also knows it really well?
GUS: Hm?
BRANDON: Sony.
GUS: I- I feel like I know all of their default DVD templates and I know all of their uh, like, default loops for uh, for music.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: Like, I’ll hear it on like, uh, local commercials. You’ll hear it all the time like, the Platinum Ink, the tattoo place here in Austin. Like, I- I know that loop very well.
JOHN: That’s right.
GUS: What’ve you got there?
BRANDON: I’m pulling up the Theta- uh, the clip for John.
GUS: Oh.
BRANDON: Hit play.
JOHN: With his skateboard?
BRANDON: He does not believe that Theta has a skateboard.
JOHN: I still don’t- I still don’t believe it. Does he also chew bubblegum and wear his pants halfway down his butt?
BRANDON: There’s no spoilers here.
GUS: I’m a little- I’m a little intimidated actually, being on the podcast with John, cause we’re like amateur wannabe comedians but like John makes people- John makes people laugh for a living.
JOHN: You guys, don’t- don’t- you’re totally underselling yourselves, you guys are hysterical.
BRANDON: Now, John was also on the uh, Freelancer or yeah, the Freelancer panel on Sunday and that was streamed I believe, I haven’t checked to see if it’s available-
GUS: It was.
BRANDON: -but that was, I think to me, one of the most entertaining panels cause it was about five or six mostly comedians, mostly improv actors and they’re just having fun. We wound up going like an hour over.
JOHN: Yeah.
BRANDON: Y’know, just cause everybody was having a really good time.
GUS: Yeah, well when you get- I think when you get performers together, especially improve people, y’know, they can just work off of each other really well.
BRANDON: Yeah, and it was almost everyone there was Tex, North, South, uh, the Director, CT ...
JOHN: Yeah.
BRANDON: Um, York and Matt was there as well.
JOHN: I feel like the only person-
BRANDON: Wyoming.
JOHN: The only person who wasn’t there was Asaf maybe.
BRANDON: Asaf, Lee Eddy.
GUS: Everytime someone mentions York, I always think of the Peppermint Patties. That- that must be like defective marketing or something.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: I cannot separate-
BRANDON: It’s programmed.
GUS: -York from Peppermint Patties like, I picture that silver wrapper and that delicious, delicious chocolate mint. Um, so how long have y’all been doing Master Pancake cause I- I mean, I’m try- I’ve been trying to think about the first time I heard about it and it must’ve been like 99, 2000?
JOHN: Very good, yeah. We started with the predecessor to Master Pancake which was called uh, Mister Sinus Theatre.
GUS: Yes, I remember that, mhm.
JOHN: And uh, we actually got into a little bit of- of uh, copyright trouble with the name uh, because y’know, we were just doing it in- back in 2000 when we started, we were just doing it as a kind of, goofball tribute to MST3K, Mystery Science Theatre 3000, so we wanted the name to convey y’know, to people what we were y’know, paying tribute to. So we made it as close as we could and uh, we- we probably made it a bit too close to the original um, because after about two or three years of doing the show and uh, y’know, like I said, we started off and we done like one show a month and- and nobody came and then um, y’know, we did it over and over again and after a few months the word got out and we got funnier and better and we started picking better movies to do. So instead of doing the y’know, B-science fiction movies from the 50s and 60s which was, y’know, kind of the staple for MST3K, we started doing more current movies like Top Gun and uh, Red Dawn and uh, Karate Kid and stuff like that and then people started showing up more but once we started getting popular, I guess the original Mystery Science folks heard about what we were doing and heard about the name, which was again, Mister Sinus Theatre 3000.
GUS: Mhm. I can see how that would be confusing.
JOHN: I uh, in retrospect I can really see uh, yeah, that that was a problem for them. So they- they uh, very sternly said, “look, you either need to change your name to something a little less confusing to folks or uh, or we’ll slap you with a lawsuit”. And uh, so we changed it to the Sinus Show, um, and then that evolved later on into what it is now which is Master Pancake Theatre.
GUS: Was there any meaning behind Master Pancake?
JOHN: There’s almost no meaning behind Master Pancake um, but it, the- the- the story is that when we were being threatened with a lawsuit by MST3K, we- y’know, we knew we were gonna have to change our name uh, we came up with a list of about a hundred different alternate names that we thought might be could and- and the one that always made us laugh was Master Pancake Theatre and I don’t know how we came up with that or- or what the story is but everytime we would um, y’know, everytime we needed like, a go-to name for the group that made us laugh y’know when we’re just talking about well, if we had to change our name it was always Master Pancake Theatre. So, somehow that- that stuck when we actually needed a- y’know, a different name.
GUS: Well, I hope Hey Titties Theatre was a close second. Cause a-
BRANDON: It’s a lost opportunity.
JOHN: Uh, y’know, if- if Master Pancake goes down the tubes and we need a new name then Hey Titties is number one on the list.
BRANDON: You also do some special shows, I remember one of my favourite was uh, Kirk vs. Pikard.
JOHN: Oh yeah.
BRANDON: And I went to the first one, I think I was supposed to go for the second one but I had to work. It was either that or it was Data vs. Spock.
JOHN: Yeah.
BRANDON: But uh, Kirk vs. Picard was- was excellent.
JOHN: Those are fun shows cause those are just-
BRANDON: You are just- you are wrong though.
JOHN: Oh no. Yeah, I- I took the position of uh, eh, Kirk um, yeah. The uh, we’ve done about five different uh, next generation vs. old generation TOC, whatever you want to call it, Star Trek shows and they’re- we show one episode of each and I take a position in favour of the old generation and then Joe Parsons, whose in the show with us, usually takes the next generation position and uh. The first two shows we did of that were Kirk vs. Picard and uh, I believe y’know- and- and at the end the audience gets to decide y’know, after watching the episodes and hearing our y’know, positions, they get to decide who’s better and the first one Kirk won and the second one Picard won. Um-
BRANDON: And you guys stop the movie right, and you do a skit. It’s funny cause Joe looks a lot like young Kirk and then uh, I’d say you look like Picard, it’s mostly the hairstyle.
JOHN: It’s the baldness. Yeah. But uh, so we have to- yeah, in the skit, at the halftime we had to take the role of the character that we disliked, so Joe whose defending Picard had to take the Kirk role and I was defending Kirk and I had to take the Picard role and- and we- so we had a debate but we’re y’know, I was undermining my own argument in favour of myself because I didn’t want Picard to win. So, it was pretty fun. Don’t know if that makes sense or not but it was pretty histerical.
GUS: I get it. So, if you’re defending uh, Kirk in this scenario, you get to pick the original series episode-
JOHN: Yes.
GUS: -or what you’re gonna show? So you definitely make sure you cherry pick like-
JOHN: Wel- yeah like, it- it’s tough though because we also do it by theme and um, I think the night- the second time we did it um, the night that Kirk lost, the theme was um, captain beams down to the planet and is trapped in a one on one uh, battle with a creature that he can’t communicate with. Uh, so for the Kirk episode, we did the one with the gorn, don’t know if you remember?
GUS: Yeah, mhm.
JOHN: And I can’t remember the title of that episode but y’know, he has to fight against this sort of lizard like giant creature with a Flintstones y’know, outfit on um, and uh, it’s not a great episode but I- I’ll freely admit, it’s probably not Kirk at his finest. It’s definitely Kirk at his cheesiest y’know, throwing like, paper mache rocks at this y’know, lizard creature. Um, but the- but the matching episode in next generation to that was um, it’s a great episode an- and it’s no surprise that Picard won that one.
BRANDON: Watchu talking about?
JOHN: It’s the one where um, again I can’t- it’s- I think the title is “Darmok” uh-
BRANDON: Yeah.
JOHN: Yeah.
BRANDON: It’s the alien race that only talks in metaphors.
JOHN: Exactly. And uh, it’s just a beautiful episode and everybody’s in tears by the end because y’know, the alien captain that Picard is trying to communicate with, who he finally figures out what the language is, it’s based on metaphors and then the alien captain, who’s played by um, I think by Paul Winfield, who’s a great y’know, sort of character from the 80s and 90s. Um, eh, and y’know, yet another black dude on Star Trek who’s covered up by prosthetics y’know, and sort of an um, stereotype. But um, he does a great job as the alien captain and he dies at the end and then sacrifices a lot- his life for Kirk and- and the greater good and so- so uh, Picard won that one but um-
GUS: I don’t think I’ve ever seen that episode.
JOHN: Really?
BRANDON: I know. That’s a classic, along with the Flute, it’s like one of the classic episodes.
GUS: I know the flute one yeah.
BRANDON: Yeah.
JOHN: Yeah. Yeah, yeah and- and y’know, that you keep saying, what is it? That- the recurring phrase like, Darmok and jalad at Tanagra y’know, jalad with hands open wide and- and um, and Picard was like, “well I don’t understand what you’re talking about.” Um, and uh, a lot of people don’t know that uh, Picard was played by J. Peterson from Seinfeld in that episode. Um, but uh, it- it’s just a beautiful episode so, kudos to Picard. But then after- after we did the first two uh, Kirk vs. Picard um, shows we did uh, one Spock vs. Data and I defended Spock. We showed-
BRANDON: Which is also wrong.
JOHN: No, oh no, it- that one I’m standing firm on. I understand, Kirk is cheesy and he’s not for everybody but Spock is so goddamn badass and compared to Data? I- come one. And- and we showed um, we showed A Mock Time, I think is the name of the episode, where Spock has to go back y’know, every seven years to mate on his home planet and his blood boils and he actually ends up killing Kirk in that episode, which you’d probably appreciate. Um, and we paired that up with the next generation episode where Data um, he- for some reason he decides to go on a date with a girl and he’s terrible at it and um, he’s just a putz through the whole episode, honestly. So, um, that was fun. And- and the and- and I will say this, uh, everytime we do one of these uh, original vs. next generation’s um, the audience who comes to the show y’know, a hundred and fifty, two hundred people, they come in being mostly next generation fans. We poll the audience beforehand, we way how many people here in favour of next generation and about two thirds of the audience is y’know, says they’re next generation fans but by the end of Spock vs. Data, the entire audience unanimously agreed that Spock was more badass than Data so,
GUS: Yeah, I gotta say I’m a Picard fan in the captains but I think uh, I’m- I’m definitely more of a Spock fan than a Data fan.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: Just because I associate Data with those terrible holodeck episodes where he plays Sherlock Homes and I fucking hate those episodes!
BRANDON: No like, the last ones were really good.
GUS: No.
BRANDON: No! When Moriarty becomes-
GUS: No!
BRANDON: -like-
GUS: NO!
BRANDON: -he becomes self-aware-
GUS: I know!
BRANDON: -and then he becomes- he’s no longer like, this two dimensional character, he just- he’s no longer- he’s no longer like, blatant evil.
GUS: But I hate-
BRANDON: He just wants to exist.
GUS: All of that’s a cop out. All of it.
BRANDON: How is it a cop out?
GUS: All that holodeck stuff is a copout. It’s not Star Trek.
JOHN: Yeah, it’s just, its-
BRANDON: I’m not defending the holodeck, I’m just saying that’s a good epi- because that episode isn’t so much they go in the holodeck it’s, they’ve created life and that life realises that the existence that it was created for, it’s nothing, it’s not satisfying, it wants to be more. Y’know, and it’s something that everyone can appreciate-
GUS: Yeah.
BRANDON: -and you can sympathise with.
GUS: You could do that in a more sci-fi, Star Trek setting.
BRANDON: And he takes over the ship!
GUS: But why’d they have to use Moriarty? I fucking hate those episodes dude.
BANDON: What d’you have against Moriarty?
GUS: I hate- I hate fucking Data Sherlock Holmes and gangster Picard.
BRANDON: Yeah, gangster Picard I’ll give you.
JOHN: How about Robin Hood uh, Bridge? Remember that one-
BRANDON: Oh yeah.
JOHN: -where they beam down to the planet and everybody takes a character from the- the Merry men?
GUS: Oh god, I don’t think I’ve seen that one either.
JOHN: Oh, it’s terrible.
GUS: It sounds awful.
JOHN: And then the one where they go back- this might be the Sherlock Holmes one too where they go to old San Francisco and meet Mark Twain.
BRANDON: No, that was the finale and premiere I think, of season three and four or four and five. That’s when Data’s head was sl- in- stuck in time for a thousand years or something like that. Futurama parried it in the-
JOHN: Did they pick up Data’s head and their like, what the- what the fuck? Um ...
GUS: I like the Futurama episode much more than the next generation episode.
BRANDON: I agree.
JOHN: But- but Gus I agree with you, the holodeck is like, it’s built in jumping the shark right there.
GUS: Mhm.
JOHN: It’s- it’s lazy writing, it allows them to just go wherever they want y’know, without any sort of consequence.
GUS: Or I feel like it’s almost like the writers were like, I don’t wanna write another Star Trek episode lets- I wanna write something y’know, a little different to change it up.
JOHN: I wanna write a Sherlock Holmes episode.
GUS: Yeah.
JOHN: And I love Moriarty let’s, yeah lets use the holodeck. Uh-oh.
GUS: Uh-oh.
JOHN: We’re getting a-
GUS: That’s us. Thanks for silencing your phone Brandon.
BRANDON: I was showing him the clip.
JOHN: Thank you for showing me the clip.
BRANDON: Yeah but they use it-
JOHN: It’s true folks.
BRANDON: -they use it to good use sometimes. Like when Worf was in there like, fighting and stuff.
GUS: No- they’re-
BRANDON: There’s sometimes where it’s not the central part of the story-
GUS: Correct.
BRANDON: -in which it’s a- a very cool accessory.
GUS: There are appropriate uses for the holodeck. Re-skinning the entire episode as something else is not appropriate use.
JOHN: That’s true. So, another uh, Star Trek next generation vs. old generation we did and uh, I’d be curious to hear you guys’ opinion on this, we did um, we were kind of running out of i-ideas at this point so we did uh, Riker vs. Kirk for the title of ultimate ladies man of the universe.
GUS: Mhm.
JOHN: And uh-
GUS & BRANDON: Oooh.
JOHN: Yeah. Which is a dubious distinction at best, but-
GUS: I think-
JOHN: -but uh-
GUS: I would think Kirk would win that one pretty handily.
JOHN: Yeah, well I mean uh, both sleep around quite a bit.
BRANDON: Riker’s very seedy and gross-
JOHN: He’s very sleazy.
BRANDON: -so I think he’s more successful um, like, he literally fucked himself out of a jam once on an alien planet but, he was like, I need you to help me escape aliens, she was like, yeah but only if you fuck me and he’s like, alright.
JOHN: Yeah. He comes off super sleazy.
BRANDON: No, that- that’s exactly what happened.
JOHN: Yeah, yeah. No, he will use his sexuality. Um, do you remember that episode, I think it was called Game, where Wesley- it’s got like Ashley Judd in it and uh, everybody-
BRANDON: Yeah, he goes to that orgy planet.
JOHN: Yeah.
BRANDON: And he comes back with the orgy game.
JOHN: At the beginning, Riker’s on the orgy planet and it’s just all- like he’s wearing these silk bathrobes and he’s just like a total like, gigolo for this woman on the planet and um, but the whole episode is like a metaphor uh, if you watch it closely and I’m gonna stand by this, it’s a metaphor for STDs. Because like, Riker goes down to the planet in his silk bathrobe to bed this lady and he ends up bringing back this game, back to the ship and I think it’s like goggles and you put on the goggles and- and it’s just the worst like, mid-nineties graphics, early-nineties graphics that you can imagine. But everybody’s addicted to this game and uh, it’s up to Wesley and Ashley Judd to try to-
BRANDON: The virgin.
JOHN: -stamp it out. Exactly, the virgins on the ship-
GUS: I can totally-
JOHN: -have to stamp out the STDs that Riker brought back up from the planet.
GUS: I can totally see this metaphor now that you say that.
JOHN: Yeah, yeah.
BRANDON: So, do you think that STDs are gonna get worse as we start mating with other species across the universe?
GUS: I- I assume so. Our- our immune systems aren’t built for that.
JOHN: Yeah, well lets find some other species first but um-
GUS: Yeah the first-
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: I will put it on our to-do list. Find aliens, number one. Number two, fuck them.
JOHN: Yeah. I’m- I’m ready. I’m ready.
GUS: Um, I- I forget, did you say you’re show- I know you said you have a show in Seattle and Portland are they both gonna be uh, based uh, talking about Twilight?
JOHN: Yes. It’s gonna- they’re both- they’re all gonna be Twilight shows cause Twilight is- is one of our most popular and one of our funnest and funniest shows and- and uh, y’know, like you Gus, I think a lot of people are curious about Twilight, they’re heard about the phenomenon but they would absolutely not go see it under normal circumstances but um, but if somebody’s there making fun of it then this is a good chance for you to go see it in safety.
GUS: That is acceptable.
JOHN: Yeah, it’s like a comedy condom that you can put on so that you don’t get infected by the Twilight virus.
GUS: Um, are you doing the first Twilight movie?
JOHN: Uh, we are doing the first one, we- actually we’ve y’know, we’ve made it a point of going through the entire series and we’re up to the third one. Here in Austin we’re- we’re currently mocking Eclipse, which is the third one um, but ah, we’re gonna take our first one up to Seattle and Portland, so you can see what we’ve done in the past.
GUS: That’s awesome.
JOHN: Yeah, it’s a great show.
BRANDON: I remember um, Twilight was always one of those movies where I thought people just overplayed how bad it was cause people just like to talk shit about movies-
GUS: Yeah.
BRANDON: -y’know. um, I think ever since like, movies started when it was just silent and like two minutes. But um-
JOHN: So, what’d you think? Was it as bad or as good?
BRANDON: It was just- yeah, it was just as bad as everyone said. I was really surprised, it was definitely the baseball scene that it really hit me and I was just like, I can’t believe it. Like, I- I don’t think I’m being that guy but no, this is just the shittiest thing I’ve ever seen.
JOHN: It- it doesn’t make any sense, about two thirds of the way through the movie i- y’know, if you’re- they- they take a break from the main plot and decide to play a game of baseball out in a field and the vampires are really good at baseball and they love it.
GUS: It’s- it’s- is it vampires vs. werewolves?
JOHN: It- I wish it was.
GUS: I- I’ve never seen Twilight.
JOHN: That would actually have made it a better movie. No, it’s vampires vs. vampires and y’know, they’re like- because there are no real rules in this universe, they can do anything, they can fly, they can catch y’know-
GUS: They can fly?
JOHN: Well, they- yeah, Edward can actually fly, I’m not sure if all of them can fly but Edward can fly, so he can catch fly balls and they can all jump really, really high so, yeah, and they sparkle.
GUS: Interesting.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: I’m actually really curious to see it now. I gotta go to one of your shows.
BRANDON: There are great jokes in that, I don’t wanna spoil it now.
JOHN: Yeah, not too many spoilers but yeah, if you’re in Seattle, come see us on July 19th at the Sith uptown, revenge of the sith and uh, if you’re in Portland then come see us at Cinema 21 on July 20th and 21st.
GUS: That’s next week, what is that? Next the Thursday-
JOHN: Thursday in Seattle and Friday and Saturday in Portland.
BRANDON: And the tickets sell out pretty quickly so you gotta get them before you go up to the uh, up to the window.
GUS: Um, so do- do you fly out to Seattle and just drive down to Portland?
JOHN: Yeah, we’re actually uh, we’re gonna do a themed tour because y’know, the movie, the Twilight series takes place in a small town in Washington state called Forks. Uh, so we’re gonna fly down to Seattle, do the show there and then drive down to Portland and on the way we’re gonna take a little detour and go to Forks and see what it’s actually like and try to find some vampires.
GUS: Wow.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: That’s a-
JOHN: It’s ridiculous.
GUS: It’s an interesting idea. I- I hope you find- I hope y’all at least play some baseball there.
BRANDON: Are you gonna shoot it?
JOHN: Uh, yeah. We’re gonna film it and uh, make a little mini documentary about it. It’s really- it’s kinda sad actually, it’s really pathetic how uh, attached we’ve become to the Twilight series just, because it’s our job but now we’ve seen probably y’know, the first Twilight we’ve seen over thirty or fourty times. We’ve seen it more than most Twi-hards have seen these movies.
GUS: Yeah.
JOHN: And um, y’know, what’s it called when you build up a- an attachment to your- to your captor?
GUS: It’s like Stockholm syndrome.
JOHN: Stockholm syndrome or Helsinki syndrome, I always get confused cause in Die Hard they- they say the wrong one and actually- I- um, but yes, I think its Stockholm syndrome. Anyway, we have that for Twilight. It’s a terrible, terrible series but it’s our bread and butter and it’s so much fun to make fun of so. So now we’re all girly and we’re gonna take the Twilight Forks tour when we go up there.
GUS: I wonder if that’s a big- I wonder if you’ll encounter other like, Twilight fans who are-
JOHN: I’m sure we will, it’s like an industry there cause I think there’s nothing else going on in Forks. Sorry Forks, if you’re listening. Um, but I think y’know, it’s like up there with Kurt Cobain’s home town, I think it’s a big tourist attraction for people who y’know, wanna- wanna do the Twilight adventure.
GUS: Interesting.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: Alright, well for anyone who’s interested we’ll have links, in the link dump and in the enhanced podcast to the ticketing for the shows on the 19th in Seattle and the 20th and 21st in Portland, should definitely check it out. But uh, we don’t want to keep you too much longer John.
JOHN: Thanks for having me.
GUS: Thank you for coming on.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: I hope uh, I hope you have a good show out there.
JOHN: Thanks very much.
FAN: Hey guys, uh, this was about two years ago, it was right before you guys released the
Recollection, uh I was pre-ordering it, and I happened to go to the little notes section in the
ordering area? I just happened to mention and say hey this comes out a couple days after I
deploy, I was going to Iraq, and uhh I just happened to mention it and was like hey if you guys can ship it out any earlier anything like that, and lo and behold, the day before I deployed the box showed up at my house. I don’t know if you guys did that intentionally I don’t want to get anyone in trouble if they weren’t supposed to do that, but I just wanted to say, thank you. That really meant a lot to me…
BURNIE: No, well thank you, because we have obviously, because of the nature of Red vs Blue we have uhh a lot of people in the military who watch the show, and one of the most disturbing things of all is when they come and they talk to us about it, they always tell us how everyone in their troupe or platoon are like the characters in Red vs Blue? And the guy who’s like Caboose always runs the biggest piece of equipment. There is literally a guy wh- they-they were introducing us to everyone and he was like yeah he’s just like Caboose, and I was like what do you do? And he goes, ”I run long range artillery.” I was like oh god, please no so… So th- I’m gla-I’m glad it got to you before you were deployed, so…
GUS: Yeah.
BURNIE: I’m glad that worked out.
GUS: Yeah, come up here I’mma I’mma give you more stuff.
CROWD: -cheers-
BURNIE: Gus, you want us to wrap up? You want us to wrap up? Okay, I have the honours duty trying to tell us that we have to wrap up, and that probably means we’ll be done in about 20 minutes.
CROWD: Awwwwwwww…
JACK: BOOOOOOOOO.
BURNIE: Yeah, okay.
FAN: I just have a quick question for uhh Gus? Uhh did you enjoy bag of Funions I brought you?
BURNIE: Ohhh no…
GUS: Y-O-O-Okay sorry. Wait for a second here. I was so sleep deprived and delirious this
morning that I actually started- Yeah give him that to…- I actually started eating them. Uhmm, and they were delicious. So I decided since I hate Funions I-I’d renamed them to “Fun-Yums”? Uhh, so I wrote over them with a marker “Fun-Yums” so my bag of Fun-Yums was absolutely delicious. I-If you follow me in Twitter I think I even tweeted a picture of it and tagged it. Hashtagged it to RTX2012. ‘Cause I wa-
BURNIE: OH. I-I DID IT!
FRANK: Yeah, yeah, he did it.
BURNIE: And now I never want to stop!
GUS: Alright.
BURNIE: D-you- You saw it right?
GUS: Yeah I saw-
FRANK: As it turns out, if you play with your- anyone who has tried that are able to do it so…
GUS: E-Enough of playing with veins in your hand. Uhm…
JOEL: That’s probably-
JACK: No he was fucking with his hand.
BURNIE: Yeah.
FRANK: Oh I can do it too.
GUS: We should wrap this shit u-
BURNIE: OH YOU CAN DO IT! This is-
FRANK: yeah. Everyone can do it, sorry bro. Your super power’s- is quite common.
BURNIE: Yeah. Turns out you kinda suck.
GUS: Should we take any more questions or should we wrap this up?
BURNIE: I guess we should probably wrap it up I-I-
FRANK: C-Can I say something before I go, ‘cause I gotta get on a plane.
BURNIE: Yeah, hey Frank, what have you gotta say.
FRANK: I-I just wanted to say thanks for- thanks to Rooster Teeth for putting on a really
spectacular and expanded convention. And uh… And thanks fo- thanks for having one of th-the best largest and best energy internet communities in obviously Rooster Teeth’s umbrella and also the Machinima umbrella but w-we think of you guys as an extension of our community as well and w-we’re grateful to- th-the relationship that we have with you guys. Uhmm and uh, I have to go get on a plane.
BURNIE: Oh right.
FRANK: Thank you.
BURNIE: Thank you Frank! And I bet he’s really wishing he said that just before the first
Holocaust reference. I- the timing could've been a little bit better. I can’t think of anything we could possibly say after that to wrap up any better, so, Gus?
GUS: W-We always wrap up with uh “Where you wanna go for lunch.”
BURNIE: Where do you wanna go for lunch?
GUS: I already ate lunch. L-Let’s go for dinner.
JACK: Dinner.
BURNIE: I-I think today- I think I might venture down to Homeslice.
GUS: I’m wearing a Homeslice shirt!
BURNIE: Oh really?
GUS: -My wife hates this shirt.
BURNIE: Where you guys goin’?
JACK: I ordered a Homeslice shirt yesterday actually.
BURNIE: Monty, did you have anything you wanted to say?
MONTY: I-I tried to go to Fogo, but they were fuckin’ closed this morning, what the fuck.
BURNIE: It’s-
GUS: It’s morning!
BURNIE –It’s Sunday at 10am!
MONTY: Th-Th- I think I ordered at Double Dave’s, th-the pizza buffet?
BURNIE: Oh that sounds good.
JACK: You went from Fogo De Chao to Double Daves.
MONTY: Well Fogo’s like right across the street.
BURNIE: It’s all just buffet. Monty doesn’t mind. I, okay, thanks very much for coming out to the first live-
JOEL: Anyone happen to have a Corona on you? Don’t go backstage, because they do not
approve of that.
GUS: Alright, well thank you everyone.
BURNIE: Thank you!
JOEL: Thank you.
94:56 Non RTX Recorded Section
GUS: Hey everyone. We have a special guest with us right now. We have uh John Erler from-
BRANDON: Oh. Thought you were talking about me.
GUS: No, not you Brandon. John uh from the Master Pancake group who also plays a voice in Red vs Blue. Uh, thanks for joining us, John!
JOHN: It’s great to be here, thanks for having me.
BRANDON: He’s the voice of Agent North.
JOHN: That’s right.
BRANDON: Now a proud father of the uh Theta AI.
JOHN: I am a very nurturing character.
BRANDON: I don’t know if you saw the most recent episode, but he has a skateboard now? So now you can yell at him w-
JOHN: That’s not true.
BRANDON: Dumb kid.
JOHN: That’s not true.
BRANDON: He really does!
GUS: He really does have a skateboard.
JOHN: Is that true, I haven’t seen that.
GUS: The-Theta’s totally extreme.
JOHN: That is not true, I did- Are you guys pulling my leg?
GUS: I wish we were. No no no, yeah it’s a uh-
JOHN: I-I do know that some weird things happen to the AIs, I know that there’s one who’s
continuously on fire.
GUS: Yes.
JOHN: Uhmm.
GUS: That’s uh Sigma who’s uh the one voiced by Elijah Wood.
BRANDON: And that premiered last night. So there’s a big Elijah Wood premier.
GUS: Yes.
JOHN: That’s pretty exciting. Wh- Can I ask, y’know I love playing North and uhm Rooster Teeth is the best and Red vs Blue is the best but I- there’s some plot points that I don’t… uhhh, I don’t get all the plot points. Uhhmm so why is Sigma on fire?
GUS: He is a representation of- and Burnie Burns would be a much better person to answer this question, but I’ll do my best to answer it.
JOHN: Could you do it in the voice of Burnie Burns?
GUS: I don’t have any friend chicken to put in my mouth right now. So that’d be kind of difficult. Uhh he’s supposed to be a representation of anger and uh rage.
JOHN: I see.
BRANDON: And isn’t- Sigma is uhh creativity as I understand it.
GUS: Sorry. Creativity.
BRANDON: Uhh, anger is the uhh… Omega.
GUS: Correct, correct.
BRANDON: Yess.
GUS: You are- you are correct!
JOHN: Whoa.
GUS: S-So uh to answer your question, I don’t know why he’s on fire.
JOHN: Uh i-it looks cool though.
GUS: I-I think maybe we’ll find out. Some point this season.
JOHN: Yeah. I feel li-
BRANDON: Someone’s gotta be…
JOHN: Yeah. It’s really sinister that he’s on fire all the time. I feel like he’s broadcasting from hell or something.
GUS: Uhm, h-him being on fire is a pain in the ass because it takes a lot longer to render those sequences anytime there’s something on fire. Uhh there’s a lot that goes on with that.
JOHN: Yep. Fire and water, they’re tough.
GUS: Yeah. Gotta to make it look anymore realistic. Uh anyway, th-th- we-we- as much as I love to talk about Red vs Blue, we didn’t bring you on here to have an exclusive Red vs Blue discussion.
JOHN: We didn’t?
GUS: We wanted to talk about some of your other-
JOHN: Oh!
GUS: -Projects to let people know about them.
JOHN: Well uhmm, we are, uhhh- as you mentioned I do a comedy show here in Austin, it’s a very popular show at the Alamo Drafthouse, which is a fantastic theatre, one of the best theatres in the country. You get to eat food and drink beer and they have all kinds of wonderful events, but we do a weekly show, sort of like an MST3K style movie mocking show called Master Pancake Theatre, and uhm, y-know-y’know we make fun of uhm… Most of the bad movies and a few good movies too. Uhh, but we will be taking our show to the great Northwest in late July, so I just wanted to give a heads-up to folks who live out there, or if you know anybody who lives in Seattle and Portland uhh Master Pancake will be visiting your town very soon. On July 19th we’ll be in Seattle, and we’ll be playing at the uhh- the S- I- the SIFF theatre, it’s a-an acronym, the S-I-F-F, the Seattle International Film Festival up town-
GUS: Is it across the street from the Jedi theatre?
JOHN: I w- I would love it if that were the case. Uhmm but we’ll be at the SIFF up town on the 19th in Seattle, and then the 20th and the 21st we’ll be in Portland at Cinema 21.
GUS: So for people who aren’t familiar with y’know Master Pancake or MST3K-
JOHN: Oh. I-
GUS: Maybe there’s a couple of them-
JOHN: I would assume with your listeners that everyone would know what MST3K is, BUT on the off chance that there’s nobody who knows what that is, first off go watch some MST3K DVDs and get up to speed. Second of all uhmm, we uhh- it’s basically me a three other comedians sitting in the first row with microphones and talking smack over the movie, and uh- and we will be doing Twilight in uh Seattle and Portland, which is one of our funnest, funniest shows and one of my favourite movies to do because A) It’s just so bad and I think everybody knows it and B) its wildly popular for some reason.
GUS: Some reason.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: Uhm it-
JOHN: Have you guys… seen the Twilight movies?
GUS: I have- I-I-I’m uhm sorry to say I haven’t gotten-
JOHN: Yep.
GUS: -around to watching those yet. If I were to watch them I think any Master Pancake showing would be the ideal way to do that.
BRANDON: That’s how I saw the first one. And there’s like two moments that I’ll always take with me: One was- I guess there’s one point where he saves her from the truck?
JOHN: Yeah.
BRANDON: I you re-edit it to where there’s an explosion and then the end credits come in like thirty minutes into the movie.
JOHN: It’s fun, w-we mess with the movie a little bit, but yeah.
BRANDON: And the other one was every time you see her crappy pick-up truck there was the theme from uhh Sanford In-Son?
JOHN: Yeah, that’s it.
BRANDON: Bwo-bwo-bwowow.
GUS: Bwo-bwo-bada-bada-daaa.
BRANDON: So it’s fun to see that little thing coming back over and over and over, but that was the first time I saw the movie. Was at Master Pancake.
JOHN: It’s really long running joke and I guess that’s the one difference between us and MST3k, we try to take it a little further by not only talking over the movie but actually uh, editing it sometimes uh, by adding extra music in like the Sanford and Son theme or uh, uh, adding special effects like uh, Bella getting blown up from getting hit by a truck in the parking lot of her high school.
GUS: So, the Alamo normally discourages people from talking during the show-
JOHN: Yep.
GUS: -but, it seems like they’re definitely encouraging you to talk to the show- over the show.
JOHN: Yes, our shows, it’s like uh, it’s a special case I guess uh, and- and still, we don’t like the audience to talk during those shows, it really is just the three comedians with the microphones who are talking during that.
GUS: Have you ever had a problem with someone trying t- to join or hijack the show?
JOHN: Uh, every now and then but- but most of the time they’re just drunk y’know, and having a good time and if- if they get too outta control then we’ll have somebody kick them out. Um, but uh, we do- we do have some audience participation in the form of a drinking game. Uhm, so uh, every time some, y’know, recurring theme happens in the movie we’ll decide before the movie starts, with the audience, what they want to shout out uh, when that happens and that’s pretty fun.
GUS: Mhm.
BRANDON: What was the uh, the cue for the Jurassic Park show?
JOHN: The uh, the? It was actually a double drinking game for the Jurassic Park show uh, one was every time Jeff Goldbloom makes a witty one-liner uh, you take a drink, which really, if you’re paying any attention at all will get you shit-faced by the end of the movie. Um, and the other one was a- anytime a body of water ripples in the movie uh, you take a drink, which of course happens every time the T-Rex shows up.
GUS: Mhm.
JOHN: So . . .
GUS: Yeah, that was like a- a cool thing they did in that movie the first time, when you see the little bottle of- the little cup of water starts shaking when the T-Rex approaches and then they really fall in love with that idea and they do it a lot.
JOHN: Over and over again, yeah. An- and the uh, RTX crew- we, we performed for RTX on uh, Saturday, and by the way, what a great time I think everybody had there, that was an amazing, amazing-
GUS: Great.
JOHN: -job you guys did. Um-
GUS: Thanks.
JOHN: -and y’know, it’s just gonna get bigger and bigger every year um, but everybody I saw there was having a great time. I had a blast but we, we performed a Jurassic Park show there and uh, the audience, we asked them what did they want to shout out for the drinking game and somehow, I don’t know how but the audience as a group decided they wanted to shout out, “Hey titties” everytime.
GUS: Wh- why not? If you have to shout out something why not something you’re enthusiastic about?
BRANDON: You can’t- you can’t say that word without smiling.
GUS: Yeah.
BRANDON: Like, it’s impossible to have a frown and and say titties.
JOHN: That’s right.
BRANDON: That- that’s right, it doesn’t work.
JOHN: You can’t do it.
GUS: I’m thinking about the word and I- We’re just immature, I think we’re all eight years old.
JOHN: That’s true.
GUS: So yeah, you had a show on a- on Saturday evening uh, at RTX-
JOHN: Yep.
GUS: -which- which uh, was not available for streaming unfortunately.
JOHN: Due to legal reasons.
GUS: Mhm.
JOHN: Yep.
GUS: It was a- it was a good time I hear, I wish I could have made it up there but I was-
JOHN: It was a lot of fun.
GUS: -I was busy walking around like a zombie trying to deal with other issues.
JOHN: Well there was so many things going on, did- did you end up having a good time or did you feel like you were working for most of it?
GUS: Oh, I- I got to the convention centre I think, at 8am on Thursday and I really left on Monday at 2pm. So, it was- it was a lot of work.
BRANDON: The answers no.
JOHN: You literally didn’t leave from Thursday till Monday.
GUS: I- I slept, I would leave to sleep two or three hours at a time.
JOHN: Wow.
GUS: But that was about it. It really doesn’t count. I- I’m told that uh, on Saturday night my wife was talking to me like, I went back to sleep for a couple hours, my wife was talking to me and in mid sentence in my reply I just fell asleep. And that was it. So uh, I’m glad to hear tha- that it went well for you guys and uh, that you had a good time, that makes me so happy um, that everything went okay. We had a little bit of trouble getting a Blu-Ray player that would work.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: So we could get our audio so luckily, I think it was your girlfriend that came through in a pinch.
JOHN: My girlfriend Joanna, if she’s listening thank you so much honey, yeah uh, at the last minute I called her up and said, “can you bring our DVD player from home down here?” and uh, she brought it and everything was fine.
GUS: Yeah, we had one of those stupid Blu-Ray players that doesn’t have standard audio outputs.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: So, there was no to-
BRANDON: When they said that I was like, that’s ridiculous. Like, who would make a Blu-Ray player that doesn’t have audio- like, RCA audio out.
GUS: Yeah, those little proprietary plugs.
JOHN: Ye- yeah, what’s the point of that? Like, re-really what?
GUS: So you can only buy their speakers.
JOHN: I see.
GUS: So you have to buy-
BRANDON: Un-named company brand.
GUS: Thanks Sony. I’ll say it, I don’t care, what’ve they got?
BRANDON: Uh, it let me demonstrate that picture I had from Armageddon, it was a Sony TV um, and they had a reel going, this was after the show had finished and you know the reel had gone- had ended and it went back to the um, the i-movie menu so, there was like a Sony TV with the Sony logo “Make believe” and the video on it was little i-movie default menu.
GUS: Yeah.
BRANDON: A little apple logo in the corner.
GUS: Yeah, I- I know that, that reel you’re talking about really well, that, that menu screen, I’ve used that one many times.
BRANDON: You know who also knows it really well?
GUS: Hm?
BRANDON: Sony.
GUS: I- I feel like I know all of their default DVD templates and I know all of their uh, like, default loops for uh, for music.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: Like, I’ll hear it on like, uh, local commercials. You’ll hear it all the time like, the Platinum Ink, the tattoo place here in Austin. Like, I- I know that loop very well.
JOHN: That’s right.
GUS: What’ve you got there?
BRANDON: I’m pulling up the Theta- uh, the clip for John.
GUS: Oh.
BRANDON: Hit play.
JOHN: With his skateboard?
BRANDON: He does not believe that Theta has a skateboard.
JOHN: I still don’t- I still don’t believe it. Does he also chew bubblegum and wear his pants halfway down his butt?
BRANDON: There’s no spoilers here.
GUS: I’m a little- I’m a little intimidated actually, being on the podcast with John, cause we’re like amateur wannabe comedians but like John makes people- John makes people laugh for a living.
JOHN: You guys, don’t- don’t- you’re totally underselling yourselves, you guys are hysterical.
BRANDON: Now, John was also on the uh, Freelancer or yeah, the Freelancer panel on Sunday and that was streamed I believe, I haven’t checked to see if it’s available-
GUS: It was.
BRANDON: -but that was, I think to me, one of the most entertaining panels cause it was about five or six mostly comedians, mostly improv actors and they’re just having fun. We wound up going like an hour over.
JOHN: Yeah.
BRANDON: Y’know, just cause everybody was having a really good time.
GUS: Yeah, well when you get- I think when you get performers together, especially improve people, y’know, they can just work off of each other really well.
BRANDON: Yeah, and it was almost everyone there was Tex, North, South, uh, the Director, CT ...
JOHN: Yeah.
BRANDON: Um, York and Matt was there as well.
JOHN: I feel like the only person-
BRANDON: Wyoming.
JOHN: The only person who wasn’t there was Asaf maybe.
BRANDON: Asaf, Lee Eddy.
GUS: Everytime someone mentions York, I always think of the Peppermint Patties. That- that must be like defective marketing or something.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: I cannot separate-
BRANDON: It’s programmed.
GUS: -York from Peppermint Patties like, I picture that silver wrapper and that delicious, delicious chocolate mint. Um, so how long have y’all been doing Master Pancake cause I- I mean, I’m try- I’ve been trying to think about the first time I heard about it and it must’ve been like 99, 2000?
JOHN: Very good, yeah. We started with the predecessor to Master Pancake which was called uh, Mister Sinus Theatre.
GUS: Yes, I remember that, mhm.
JOHN: And uh, we actually got into a little bit of- of uh, copyright trouble with the name uh, because y’know, we were just doing it in- back in 2000 when we started, we were just doing it as a kind of, goofball tribute to MST3K, Mystery Science Theatre 3000, so we wanted the name to convey y’know, to people what we were y’know, paying tribute to. So we made it as close as we could and uh, we- we probably made it a bit too close to the original um, because after about two or three years of doing the show and uh, y’know, like I said, we started off and we done like one show a month and- and nobody came and then um, y’know, we did it over and over again and after a few months the word got out and we got funnier and better and we started picking better movies to do. So instead of doing the y’know, B-science fiction movies from the 50s and 60s which was, y’know, kind of the staple for MST3K, we started doing more current movies like Top Gun and uh, Red Dawn and uh, Karate Kid and stuff like that and then people started showing up more but once we started getting popular, I guess the original Mystery Science folks heard about what we were doing and heard about the name, which was again, Mister Sinus Theatre 3000.
GUS: Mhm. I can see how that would be confusing.
JOHN: I uh, in retrospect I can really see uh, yeah, that that was a problem for them. So they- they uh, very sternly said, “look, you either need to change your name to something a little less confusing to folks or uh, or we’ll slap you with a lawsuit”. And uh, so we changed it to the Sinus Show, um, and then that evolved later on into what it is now which is Master Pancake Theatre.
GUS: Was there any meaning behind Master Pancake?
JOHN: There’s almost no meaning behind Master Pancake um, but it, the- the- the story is that when we were being threatened with a lawsuit by MST3K, we- y’know, we knew we were gonna have to change our name uh, we came up with a list of about a hundred different alternate names that we thought might be could and- and the one that always made us laugh was Master Pancake Theatre and I don’t know how we came up with that or- or what the story is but everytime we would um, y’know, everytime we needed like, a go-to name for the group that made us laugh y’know when we’re just talking about well, if we had to change our name it was always Master Pancake Theatre. So, somehow that- that stuck when we actually needed a- y’know, a different name.
GUS: Well, I hope Hey Titties Theatre was a close second. Cause a-
BRANDON: It’s a lost opportunity.
JOHN: Uh, y’know, if- if Master Pancake goes down the tubes and we need a new name then Hey Titties is number one on the list.
BRANDON: You also do some special shows, I remember one of my favourite was uh, Kirk vs. Pikard.
JOHN: Oh yeah.
BRANDON: And I went to the first one, I think I was supposed to go for the second one but I had to work. It was either that or it was Data vs. Spock.
JOHN: Yeah.
BRANDON: But uh, Kirk vs. Picard was- was excellent.
JOHN: Those are fun shows cause those are just-
BRANDON: You are just- you are wrong though.
JOHN: Oh no. Yeah, I- I took the position of uh, eh, Kirk um, yeah. The uh, we’ve done about five different uh, next generation vs. old generation TOC, whatever you want to call it, Star Trek shows and they’re- we show one episode of each and I take a position in favour of the old generation and then Joe Parsons, whose in the show with us, usually takes the next generation position and uh. The first two shows we did of that were Kirk vs. Picard and uh, I believe y’know- and- and at the end the audience gets to decide y’know, after watching the episodes and hearing our y’know, positions, they get to decide who’s better and the first one Kirk won and the second one Picard won. Um-
BRANDON: And you guys stop the movie right, and you do a skit. It’s funny cause Joe looks a lot like young Kirk and then uh, I’d say you look like Picard, it’s mostly the hairstyle.
JOHN: It’s the baldness. Yeah. But uh, so we have to- yeah, in the skit, at the halftime we had to take the role of the character that we disliked, so Joe whose defending Picard had to take the Kirk role and I was defending Kirk and I had to take the Picard role and- and we- so we had a debate but we’re y’know, I was undermining my own argument in favour of myself because I didn’t want Picard to win. So, it was pretty fun. Don’t know if that makes sense or not but it was pretty histerical.
GUS: I get it. So, if you’re defending uh, Kirk in this scenario, you get to pick the original series episode-
JOHN: Yes.
GUS: -or what you’re gonna show? So you definitely make sure you cherry pick like-
JOHN: Wel- yeah like, it- it’s tough though because we also do it by theme and um, I think the night- the second time we did it um, the night that Kirk lost, the theme was um, captain beams down to the planet and is trapped in a one on one uh, battle with a creature that he can’t communicate with. Uh, so for the Kirk episode, we did the one with the gorn, don’t know if you remember?
GUS: Yeah, mhm.
JOHN: And I can’t remember the title of that episode but y’know, he has to fight against this sort of lizard like giant creature with a Flintstones y’know, outfit on um, and uh, it’s not a great episode but I- I’ll freely admit, it’s probably not Kirk at his finest. It’s definitely Kirk at his cheesiest y’know, throwing like, paper mache rocks at this y’know, lizard creature. Um, but the- but the matching episode in next generation to that was um, it’s a great episode an- and it’s no surprise that Picard won that one.
BRANDON: Watchu talking about?
JOHN: It’s the one where um, again I can’t- it’s- I think the title is “Darmok” uh-
BRANDON: Yeah.
JOHN: Yeah.
BRANDON: It’s the alien race that only talks in metaphors.
JOHN: Exactly. And uh, it’s just a beautiful episode and everybody’s in tears by the end because y’know, the alien captain that Picard is trying to communicate with, who he finally figures out what the language is, it’s based on metaphors and then the alien captain, who’s played by um, I think by Paul Winfield, who’s a great y’know, sort of character from the 80s and 90s. Um, eh, and y’know, yet another black dude on Star Trek who’s covered up by prosthetics y’know, and sort of an um, stereotype. But um, he does a great job as the alien captain and he dies at the end and then sacrifices a lot- his life for Kirk and- and the greater good and so- so uh, Picard won that one but um-
GUS: I don’t think I’ve ever seen that episode.
JOHN: Really?
BRANDON: I know. That’s a classic, along with the Flute, it’s like one of the classic episodes.
GUS: I know the flute one yeah.
BRANDON: Yeah.
JOHN: Yeah. Yeah, yeah and- and y’know, that you keep saying, what is it? That- the recurring phrase like, Darmok and jalad at Tanagra y’know, jalad with hands open wide and- and um, and Picard was like, “well I don’t understand what you’re talking about.” Um, and uh, a lot of people don’t know that uh, Picard was played by J. Peterson from Seinfeld in that episode. Um, but uh, it- it’s just a beautiful episode so, kudos to Picard. But then after- after we did the first two uh, Kirk vs. Picard um, shows we did uh, one Spock vs. Data and I defended Spock. We showed-
BRANDON: Which is also wrong.
JOHN: No, oh no, it- that one I’m standing firm on. I understand, Kirk is cheesy and he’s not for everybody but Spock is so goddamn badass and compared to Data? I- come one. And- and we showed um, we showed A Mock Time, I think is the name of the episode, where Spock has to go back y’know, every seven years to mate on his home planet and his blood boils and he actually ends up killing Kirk in that episode, which you’d probably appreciate. Um, and we paired that up with the next generation episode where Data um, he- for some reason he decides to go on a date with a girl and he’s terrible at it and um, he’s just a putz through the whole episode, honestly. So, um, that was fun. And- and the and- and I will say this, uh, everytime we do one of these uh, original vs. next generation’s um, the audience who comes to the show y’know, a hundred and fifty, two hundred people, they come in being mostly next generation fans. We poll the audience beforehand, we way how many people here in favour of next generation and about two thirds of the audience is y’know, says they’re next generation fans but by the end of Spock vs. Data, the entire audience unanimously agreed that Spock was more badass than Data so,
GUS: Yeah, I gotta say I’m a Picard fan in the captains but I think uh, I’m- I’m definitely more of a Spock fan than a Data fan.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: Just because I associate Data with those terrible holodeck episodes where he plays Sherlock Homes and I fucking hate those episodes!
BRANDON: No like, the last ones were really good.
GUS: No.
BRANDON: No! When Moriarty becomes-
GUS: No!
BRANDON: -like-
GUS: NO!
BRANDON: -he becomes self-aware-
GUS: I know!
BRANDON: -and then he becomes- he’s no longer like, this two dimensional character, he just- he’s no longer- he’s no longer like, blatant evil.
GUS: But I hate-
BRANDON: He just wants to exist.
GUS: All of that’s a cop out. All of it.
BRANDON: How is it a cop out?
GUS: All that holodeck stuff is a copout. It’s not Star Trek.
JOHN: Yeah, it’s just, its-
BRANDON: I’m not defending the holodeck, I’m just saying that’s a good epi- because that episode isn’t so much they go in the holodeck it’s, they’ve created life and that life realises that the existence that it was created for, it’s nothing, it’s not satisfying, it wants to be more. Y’know, and it’s something that everyone can appreciate-
GUS: Yeah.
BRANDON: -and you can sympathise with.
GUS: You could do that in a more sci-fi, Star Trek setting.
BRANDON: And he takes over the ship!
GUS: But why’d they have to use Moriarty? I fucking hate those episodes dude.
BANDON: What d’you have against Moriarty?
GUS: I hate- I hate fucking Data Sherlock Holmes and gangster Picard.
BRANDON: Yeah, gangster Picard I’ll give you.
JOHN: How about Robin Hood uh, Bridge? Remember that one-
BRANDON: Oh yeah.
JOHN: -where they beam down to the planet and everybody takes a character from the- the Merry men?
GUS: Oh god, I don’t think I’ve seen that one either.
JOHN: Oh, it’s terrible.
GUS: It sounds awful.
JOHN: And then the one where they go back- this might be the Sherlock Holmes one too where they go to old San Francisco and meet Mark Twain.
BRANDON: No, that was the finale and premiere I think, of season three and four or four and five. That’s when Data’s head was sl- in- stuck in time for a thousand years or something like that. Futurama parried it in the-
JOHN: Did they pick up Data’s head and their like, what the- what the fuck? Um ...
GUS: I like the Futurama episode much more than the next generation episode.
BRANDON: I agree.
JOHN: But- but Gus I agree with you, the holodeck is like, it’s built in jumping the shark right there.
GUS: Mhm.
JOHN: It’s- it’s lazy writing, it allows them to just go wherever they want y’know, without any sort of consequence.
GUS: Or I feel like it’s almost like the writers were like, I don’t wanna write another Star Trek episode lets- I wanna write something y’know, a little different to change it up.
JOHN: I wanna write a Sherlock Holmes episode.
GUS: Yeah.
JOHN: And I love Moriarty let’s, yeah lets use the holodeck. Uh-oh.
GUS: Uh-oh.
JOHN: We’re getting a-
GUS: That’s us. Thanks for silencing your phone Brandon.
BRANDON: I was showing him the clip.
JOHN: Thank you for showing me the clip.
BRANDON: Yeah but they use it-
JOHN: It’s true folks.
BRANDON: -they use it to good use sometimes. Like when Worf was in there like, fighting and stuff.
GUS: No- they’re-
BRANDON: There’s sometimes where it’s not the central part of the story-
GUS: Correct.
BRANDON: -in which it’s a- a very cool accessory.
GUS: There are appropriate uses for the holodeck. Re-skinning the entire episode as something else is not appropriate use.
JOHN: That’s true. So, another uh, Star Trek next generation vs. old generation we did and uh, I’d be curious to hear you guys’ opinion on this, we did um, we were kind of running out of i-ideas at this point so we did uh, Riker vs. Kirk for the title of ultimate ladies man of the universe.
GUS: Mhm.
JOHN: And uh-
GUS & BRANDON: Oooh.
JOHN: Yeah. Which is a dubious distinction at best, but-
GUS: I think-
JOHN: -but uh-
GUS: I would think Kirk would win that one pretty handily.
JOHN: Yeah, well I mean uh, both sleep around quite a bit.
BRANDON: Riker’s very seedy and gross-
JOHN: He’s very sleazy.
BRANDON: -so I think he’s more successful um, like, he literally fucked himself out of a jam once on an alien planet but, he was like, I need you to help me escape aliens, she was like, yeah but only if you fuck me and he’s like, alright.
JOHN: Yeah. He comes off super sleazy.
BRANDON: No, that- that’s exactly what happened.
JOHN: Yeah, yeah. No, he will use his sexuality. Um, do you remember that episode, I think it was called Game, where Wesley- it’s got like Ashley Judd in it and uh, everybody-
BRANDON: Yeah, he goes to that orgy planet.
JOHN: Yeah.
BRANDON: And he comes back with the orgy game.
JOHN: At the beginning, Riker’s on the orgy planet and it’s just all- like he’s wearing these silk bathrobes and he’s just like a total like, gigolo for this woman on the planet and um, but the whole episode is like a metaphor uh, if you watch it closely and I’m gonna stand by this, it’s a metaphor for STDs. Because like, Riker goes down to the planet in his silk bathrobe to bed this lady and he ends up bringing back this game, back to the ship and I think it’s like goggles and you put on the goggles and- and it’s just the worst like, mid-nineties graphics, early-nineties graphics that you can imagine. But everybody’s addicted to this game and uh, it’s up to Wesley and Ashley Judd to try to-
BRANDON: The virgin.
JOHN: -stamp it out. Exactly, the virgins on the ship-
GUS: I can totally-
JOHN: -have to stamp out the STDs that Riker brought back up from the planet.
GUS: I can totally see this metaphor now that you say that.
JOHN: Yeah, yeah.
BRANDON: So, do you think that STDs are gonna get worse as we start mating with other species across the universe?
GUS: I- I assume so. Our- our immune systems aren’t built for that.
JOHN: Yeah, well lets find some other species first but um-
GUS: Yeah the first-
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: I will put it on our to-do list. Find aliens, number one. Number two, fuck them.
JOHN: Yeah. I’m- I’m ready. I’m ready.
GUS: Um, I- I forget, did you say you’re show- I know you said you have a show in Seattle and Portland are they both gonna be uh, based uh, talking about Twilight?
JOHN: Yes. It’s gonna- they’re both- they’re all gonna be Twilight shows cause Twilight is- is one of our most popular and one of our funnest and funniest shows and- and uh, y’know, like you Gus, I think a lot of people are curious about Twilight, they’re heard about the phenomenon but they would absolutely not go see it under normal circumstances but um, but if somebody’s there making fun of it then this is a good chance for you to go see it in safety.
GUS: That is acceptable.
JOHN: Yeah, it’s like a comedy condom that you can put on so that you don’t get infected by the Twilight virus.
GUS: Um, are you doing the first Twilight movie?
JOHN: Uh, we are doing the first one, we- actually we’ve y’know, we’ve made it a point of going through the entire series and we’re up to the third one. Here in Austin we’re- we’re currently mocking Eclipse, which is the third one um, but ah, we’re gonna take our first one up to Seattle and Portland, so you can see what we’ve done in the past.
GUS: That’s awesome.
JOHN: Yeah, it’s a great show.
BRANDON: I remember um, Twilight was always one of those movies where I thought people just overplayed how bad it was cause people just like to talk shit about movies-
GUS: Yeah.
BRANDON: -y’know. um, I think ever since like, movies started when it was just silent and like two minutes. But um-
JOHN: So, what’d you think? Was it as bad or as good?
BRANDON: It was just- yeah, it was just as bad as everyone said. I was really surprised, it was definitely the baseball scene that it really hit me and I was just like, I can’t believe it. Like, I- I don’t think I’m being that guy but no, this is just the shittiest thing I’ve ever seen.
JOHN: It- it doesn’t make any sense, about two thirds of the way through the movie i- y’know, if you’re- they- they take a break from the main plot and decide to play a game of baseball out in a field and the vampires are really good at baseball and they love it.
GUS: It’s- it’s- is it vampires vs. werewolves?
JOHN: It- I wish it was.
GUS: I- I’ve never seen Twilight.
JOHN: That would actually have made it a better movie. No, it’s vampires vs. vampires and y’know, they’re like- because there are no real rules in this universe, they can do anything, they can fly, they can catch y’know-
GUS: They can fly?
JOHN: Well, they- yeah, Edward can actually fly, I’m not sure if all of them can fly but Edward can fly, so he can catch fly balls and they can all jump really, really high so, yeah, and they sparkle.
GUS: Interesting.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: I’m actually really curious to see it now. I gotta go to one of your shows.
BRANDON: There are great jokes in that, I don’t wanna spoil it now.
JOHN: Yeah, not too many spoilers but yeah, if you’re in Seattle, come see us on July 19th at the Sith uptown, revenge of the sith and uh, if you’re in Portland then come see us at Cinema 21 on July 20th and 21st.
GUS: That’s next week, what is that? Next the Thursday-
JOHN: Thursday in Seattle and Friday and Saturday in Portland.
BRANDON: And the tickets sell out pretty quickly so you gotta get them before you go up to the uh, up to the window.
GUS: Um, so do- do you fly out to Seattle and just drive down to Portland?
JOHN: Yeah, we’re actually uh, we’re gonna do a themed tour because y’know, the movie, the Twilight series takes place in a small town in Washington state called Forks. Uh, so we’re gonna fly down to Seattle, do the show there and then drive down to Portland and on the way we’re gonna take a little detour and go to Forks and see what it’s actually like and try to find some vampires.
GUS: Wow.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: That’s a-
JOHN: It’s ridiculous.
GUS: It’s an interesting idea. I- I hope you find- I hope y’all at least play some baseball there.
BRANDON: Are you gonna shoot it?
JOHN: Uh, yeah. We’re gonna film it and uh, make a little mini documentary about it. It’s really- it’s kinda sad actually, it’s really pathetic how uh, attached we’ve become to the Twilight series just, because it’s our job but now we’ve seen probably y’know, the first Twilight we’ve seen over thirty or fourty times. We’ve seen it more than most Twi-hards have seen these movies.
GUS: Yeah.
JOHN: And um, y’know, what’s it called when you build up a- an attachment to your- to your captor?
GUS: It’s like Stockholm syndrome.
JOHN: Stockholm syndrome or Helsinki syndrome, I always get confused cause in Die Hard they- they say the wrong one and actually- I- um, but yes, I think its Stockholm syndrome. Anyway, we have that for Twilight. It’s a terrible, terrible series but it’s our bread and butter and it’s so much fun to make fun of so. So now we’re all girly and we’re gonna take the Twilight Forks tour when we go up there.
GUS: I wonder if that’s a big- I wonder if you’ll encounter other like, Twilight fans who are-
JOHN: I’m sure we will, it’s like an industry there cause I think there’s nothing else going on in Forks. Sorry Forks, if you’re listening. Um, but I think y’know, it’s like up there with Kurt Cobain’s home town, I think it’s a big tourist attraction for people who y’know, wanna- wanna do the Twilight adventure.
GUS: Interesting.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: Alright, well for anyone who’s interested we’ll have links, in the link dump and in the enhanced podcast to the ticketing for the shows on the 19th in Seattle and the 20th and 21st in Portland, should definitely check it out. But uh, we don’t want to keep you too much longer John.
JOHN: Thanks for having me.
GUS: Thank you for coming on.
JOHN: Yeah.
GUS: I hope uh, I hope you have a good show out there.
JOHN: Thanks very much.