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GAVIN: Th-that they sniff out money. N-Not drugs.
GUS: Yeah.
JACK: do they- do they shave them?
GUS: No they don’t shave them.
GAVIN: How does a dog know that someone’s got too much money?
GUS: I think it just hits if- it-it smells-
JOEL: Th-the question is what does money smell like?
GUS: Cocaine?
JOEL: Probably like dead skins cells n’… blehhh!
GAVIN: There was a thing going on in my town, this was back in England, I was talking to some people, where they’re about to rip out all the copper from the- they’re just gonna replace all the internet with fiber optic, and they’re gonna- it’s gonna cost a lot of money to
do it. But they’re gonna make more money just selling the copper that’s already there.
GUS: Really?
JOEL: Yeah, that makes sense.
GAVIN: But they’re gonna make a-all the money back, and more, just selling the copper. It’s
crazy.
GUS: So fiber is cheaper than copper?
GAVIN: I f- I guess it is.
GUS: It’s- it’s cheaper enough that they can dig out the old shit and put in new shit and still make money in that?
GAVIN: Well I guess they’re making enough fiber to cover the whole country and each town’s got enough copper-
JOEL: Where is this- where is this?
GAVIN: It’s my… It’s in England.
JOEL: In England?
GAVIN: Yeah.
GUS: That seems fucking ridiculous to me.
GAVIN: Yeah.
GUS: That’s crazy.
GAVIN: Yeah. There’s probably a lot of copper under there. It’s an- it’s an odd place.
GUS: Uhmmm… d- yeah th-there’s always those stories about people who decide they want to steal copper? It happened here in Austin a couple years ago. Some idiot broke into like a power substation to steal copper?
JOEL: Yeah?
GUS: And got like electrocuted and died. ‘Cause he like touched live w- high voltage wires in a fucking substation.
JACK: That’s always smart.
GUS: Yeah. It seems like as time goes on…
JOEL: I’m going to- by the way, I’m on Danjitsu’s page?
JACK: Oh no.
JOEL: And informing him that I can’t quite give him my award yet ‘cause I haven’t gotten any alcohol from him.
JACK: T- we were supposed t- like we were- there was- there was more awards on the way right? I think like three years ago when I started working here it was like, “Oh yeah hey, we didn’t give you your award.” And then they actually drew one up and I never got it.
GUS: Yeah we actually made awards for everyone, I don’t know what happened to them.
JACK: Well I- like we had the like second wave awards, I wasn’t there, and then that just never happened. That was- that was like two years ago!
GUS: Yeah it was like 2 years ago.
JACK: So what- so what happened?
GUS: iunnuh. You should talk to the Director of Technology, find out what the status of that is!
JACK: A-A-At that time you were the Director of Technology.
GUS: Yeah but I dunno, I-I-I’m not in tha-that anymore.
JACK: Uhhggg, you passed on everything?
GUS: Tha… That’s a- that’s an Adam question.
JACK: Jesus.
GUS: Tha- I’m- I’m more busy. I’m too busy now with the podcast.
JACK: Gus, I wanna talk about Breaking Bad so bad.It’s such a-
GUS: Well let’s talk about it without spoiling it.
JACK: Uh I don’t know if I-
GAVIN: Well you talked about the end of season 4 right?
GUS: Y-
JACK: Uhhhhhhhh… At this point, yes, it’s-it’s been odd for over a year- no wait- yeah over a year. ‘Cause-
GAVIN: His face would blown in half! His face came off! HIS FACE CAME OUT OF-
JOEL: They-they told you in the title of the episode. The title of the episode was “Face Off”.
GAVIN: It’s true.
JACK: Yeah.
JOEL: Yeah it’s great.
GAVIN: Those titles are very clever ‘cause you think nothing of ‘em and then it’s like ahh, I get it.
JACK: Yeah.
GAVIN: Once the episode’s done…
JACK: Well they’re- they’re some cool stuff, like the beginning of season 4, when they were in Gale’s apartment, because season 4 begins with the aftermath of Jessie shooting Gale in the face right?
GUS: Right.
JACK: So it begins with uhhhhh… Not Vic- is it Victor? Was he the guy who went to the- he was the one with- the first episode was box cutter where Gus is just-
GUS: Yeah.
JACK: -straight up murders that guy. But he goes there, and he’s looking around the apartment, and one of the things he sees in the apartment is like this- this painting of a face that has like half of it removed.
GAVIN: Oh so a bit foreshadowing going on.
JACK: Yeah.
GAVIN: On uhh… hmm.
JACK: Yeah so I remember when that episode, that final episode came out, people were like, y’know connecting all that stuff-
GUS: Yeah.
JACK: -they also showed-
GUS: Pe-People also speculated remember in the- in- remember in season 2 after the plane crash-
JACK: Yeah.
GUS: -the bear floating in the pool with like half of its face-
JACK: Ohhh.
GUS: -blowing up.
JOEL: Yeah, tha-that that eyeball rolling around for a while.
GAVIN: It s- it seems like the end of season 4 was actually a conclusion, like it could’ve ended there. Like season 3 was a cliffhanger, in the middle of everything.
GUS: I think they were just not sure if there was going to be a season 5.
JACK: Yeah, they left a few dangling things…
GAVIN: I don’t know what it is-
JOEL: God how could they- how could they not- I-I mean surely they’re doing well in the ratings right?
GUS: We- they-they- well it’s an expensive show to produce apparently. There was- there was- there was- it was a very last minute deal to get this uhh fifth season-
JACK: Yeah.
GUS: -from uhhh AMC.
JOEL: I don’t understand it man, I mean AMC’s like killin’ it.
JACK: Yeah.
JOEL: Like killin’ it.
JACK: Well they’re killin’ it but they don’t support their shows, like Walking Dead, y’know, you heard what happened on one of the second seasons of Walking Dead.
JOEL: Well I don’t really mind- they’re not getting the ad revenue I guess?
JACK: I have no idea, I mean like Madmen-
JOEL: It’s y-
JACK: -I imagine Madmen is the most expensive one.
JOEL: -take all that revenue takes forever to catch up to what’s going on.
JACK: Yeah.
JOEL: It seems like ad revenue just takes forever to figure out where actual viewers are.
JACK: Yeah.
JOEL: I mean…
JACK: It’s we- yeah, it’s weird, I mean but-
JOEL: I-I-I I mean look at us. But whatever.
JACK: Wh- What, has ad revenue caught up to us yet? Are we seeing-
JOEL: The internet? I mean…
JACK: I guess we always have sponsors for the podcast now, so it only took what? Two and a half years to get sponsors?
GUS: I-It took two decades.
JACK: Two decades.
GAVIN: There’s something very specifically about CG in the- from what I’ve seen… CG looks so organically good when it’s combined with someone’s face.
JACK: Yeah.
GAVIN: Like-
JACK: Like-
JOEL: We-w-w-w-w-w-
GAVIN: -Dark Knight looks like his face is half off.
JOEL: Well it looks like his face is inconsistent, like matter seems like it’s easier. Y’know the muddier it is it seems like-
GAVIN: It just looked- It like kind of pans around, it’s like half of his face is off. It looks so. Real. And good, and so did Harvey Dent’s face in Dark Knight.
JACK: Yeah that was pretty amazing.
GAVIN: I mean you can’t even- you can’t even- it’s unbelievable.
JACK: Dude, yeah. When he walks out of that room and like adjusts his tie-
GAVIN: Yeah!
JACK: -drops. It’s like, ohhhhhh.
GUS: I-I had to like stop it, and I rewound it like instantly as I wa-
JACK: That’s so good.
GUS: -watched it on Zoon on my Xbox, I was like,” WHAT THE FUCK!?”
JACK: Yeah. Mr-Mr. Ding Ding was like hitting the button track-
GUS: Senior Ding Ding.
JACK: Senior Ding Ding.
GAVIN: And it’s all one shot as well like, it just goes from Gus stands up and then the door just busted out into the hall-
JACK: Yeah.
GAVIN: -and then just the same shot. And then-
JACK: It was a violent explosion!
GAVIN: -yeah it was like KEEKUUHHH! It’s no fire, it’s just like BOUUUFFF.
JACK: Yeah. So like a -
GAVIN: Compressive force.
JACK: -compression explosion.
GAVIN: We’ve tal-
GUS: So-
GAVIN: Recently Gus about you were saying how when there’s an explosion, some… it’s like a-
GUS: Oh yeah.
GAVIN: -concussive force the body just can’t survive, it just dies.
GUS: Yeah, y-y-you’re just- your nervous system turns off. That’s why a lot of times, a lot of our weapons artillery, they don’t have to blow up or create an explosion in you, they just have to hit you with a strong enough concussive wave-
GAVIN: Such as like the sound wave that just bashes you.
GUS: Yeah, i-it just shuts of your- your brain stem and your nervous system, you just die.
JACK: That’s trippy.
GAVIN: So are there people just like, dead on the ground with like no real injury?
GUS: Right, just like the shock wave hits them and that’s it. They look totally fine.
GAVIN: ‘Cause I- I filmed some explosions back- when I used to film stuff in slow motion where we would like blow up an a thousand pound bomb from like a mile away, and obviously in real time it’s just like Bhu! You see the light and then it’s like Buh-Bhew and it hits you. But… in slow motion you get this dome of like…
GUS: Yeah pressure.
GAVIN: It’s like, y-you just see it a-
JOEL: Yeah.
GAVIN: It’s like a bubble shield in Halo, it just gets b-
JOEL: I feel like tha- as the sonic uhh… I don’t know what it is.
GAVIN: It’s just like the- the ripple in the sound, it just pushes out.
GUS: Mmhmm.
JACK: Yeah th-they- you see it on MythBusters a lot when they’re blowin’ up big stuff.
GAVIN: Yeah.
JACK: You know, we- we watched an episode of MythBusters recently. That it wa- it was the episode was… It was a guy with a guy with a fire extinguisher and a guy with a flamethrower.
GAVIN: Oh yeah.
JACK: And they were facing off each other. And then they like shot ‘em at each other at the same time. And then this video it would hit in the middle and then kind of like y’know, dissipate or whatever? And they were like okay we’re gonna see if this is actually true, if this was f- this was a music video.
GAVIN: And they were like referencing this music video.
JACK: Yeah, and so-
GAVIN: Well is this so real.
JACK: Yeah they were like, “This is pretty cool but we’re gonna see if we can, like recr- like
recreate this.
JOEL: Wh-wh- what exactly are they testing?
JACK: Well they’re seeing if- they’re seeing if fire beats water.
JOEL: Oh I see.
JACK: But you know, it was a fire extinguisher and there was fire-
JOEL: You can’t shoot a fire extinguisher-
GUS: Wait, fire extinguisher and a fire?
JACK: Y-Yeah.
GUS: oh I thought it was water.
JACK: No no, it was a fire extinguisher facing off against a flamethrower-
GUS: Okay.
JACK: -and then- so it’s just two guys kind of like this hillbilly lookin’ guy shooting at a b- it was for a music video, and we were watching it. We were actually at Geoff’s place, and Gavin walks over and he goes, “Oh yeah, I shot that.”
GAVIN: Yeah.
JACK: Yeah, it was- it was-
GAVIN: It was-
JACK: it was a fucking music video-
GAVIN: -It was a music video.
JACK: -Gavin shot.
JOEL: So did they do it on set?
MONTY: Did it work?
GUS: Did th-they stop the fire?
JACK: Yeah eventually like they- the fire extinguisher they had like wasn’t- they were using a normal one and it wasn’t shooting off far enough so they’d like build a fire extinguisher to like go th-th-the distance that the flamethrower would go, but ultimately they got it to work.
GUS: Hm.
JACK: But, it’s funny because like Gav’s like, “Oh yeah that’s- that’s totally real. ‘Cause I was- I was there.”
JOEL: Now did you guys applaud at the end of the episode?
JACK: No.
JOEL: Because Gav had worked on it?
GAVIN: Do you have an issue-
JACK: W-W-Well the whole point-
JOEL: You’d worked on the episode so clearly you need to-
GUS: So you deserve applause.
GAVIN: Yeah. Clap it up.
JACK: Wait what? I think I missed that part.
JOEL: Yeah…
GAVIN Do you- do you have an issue with the fact that I don’t clap at a movie?
JACK: You don’t clap at movies?
GAVIN: Do you clap at movies?
JACK: On- big premiers, sure!
GAVIN: Did you clap at Dark Knight?
JACK: Uhhh ffff- on Thursday yeah.
GAVIN: Who are you clapping for?
JACK: The-the- everyone with the spirit of theatre.
GUS: THE SPIRIT OF THEATRE.
GAVIN: Do you wanna leave now, or what? Are you gonna say more things after that?
JACK: No that’s-
JOEL: You’re just clapping because the people around… weren’t talking or texting him, so he was like applauding the fact that he wasn’t getting-
JACK: Alright, tho- did we- did we talk about talking and texting during the movies?
GUS: Yes.
JACK: We did?
GUS: Yeah we did.
JACK: I talked about certain people sitting-
GAVIN: I gave a day with that for a long time.
JACK: Okay.
GUS: We outted them.
JACK: God.
GUS: For being bad movie-goers.
JACK: It’s at the Drafthouse too! Come on man! Although there was no- we didn’t have-
JOEL: I-I d-
JACK: We didn’t have the stinger, the no talking stinger before-
GUS: Yeah.
JACK: -our- our-
GAVIN: Did you guys-
JACK: -our screen.
MONTY: I… I was asleep. I- I wanted to go but… RvB 10 has been killing me. I just wanted to come in and talk about that, but y’know, it’s a lot to do, so I’ll get back to work. RvB 10’s looking great though.
GAVIN: Episode 8 just came out right?
MONTY: Yeah. Yeah but that was the stuff from PAX East so like we kinda had a- like a buffer but we’re chasing- we’re chasing thing like… some really good sequences coming up. I got a- we got a lot of- I-I took a bit of break. I don’t really take a break but I st- I was away from my desk for awhile *sniff* so I’m coming back with a lot of really good scenes, we just kind of gotta… chase that uhh deadline now.
GAVIN: It’s been awhile since I’ve been back there to see what you’re working on, I’m gonna-
JOEL: We don’t have to cut at the fire extinguisher flamethrower scene in we-
JACK: We need to have the clapper.
MONTY: No flamethrower sequence in this season. Spoiler for that, ‘cause you know… That was a pain in the ass last year. But I have new stuff coming it’s-
JOEL: is fire a pain in the ass to work with in CG?
MONTY: Euhhh it is and it isn’t. My version is actually really easy but we did a version that was harder last year?
JOEL: What’s a- what’s the hardest thing?
MONTY: Hardest thing is people.
JOEL: People?
MONTY: People are hard man.
GUS: Do you think that’s because people have, or the viewer has more experience looking at faces?
MONTY: That’s- that’s exactly the reason. Yeah.
GAVIN: I shot a video recently of a Molotov cocktail exploding on the side of a house, it’s slow motion, I want to show it to you.
JACK: It’s soo good.
GAVIN: It looks pretty-
JACK: It looks- it looks fake, it looks so-
GAVIN: I-It does! There’s some- there’s a point where like… liquid and just elemental stuff like fire, really slow down looks-
MONTY: Can I… Can I- can I have and use that footage for our season?
GAVIN: Sure. Good luck cutting it out from the brick wall I threw it at.
JACK: Y’know this- this episode that came out this week I think I have a cameo in the episode. I’m not sure, I think at the beginning i-i-it s-
JOEL: Gav, did you applaud at the end of the episode?
GAVIN: I didn’t, I’m sorry.
JACK: It’s uhh, like it’s- it’s Pilot, she’s- she’s telling us-
MONTY: Oh she’s yelling at that-
JACK: Yeah, she’s telling the guy to move things around.
MONTY: That’s you right?
JACK: I think that’s me grunting. So there’s literally that “ughhh” “urrmmm”
GAVIN: You can recognize your own grunt?
JOEL: So- So
JACK: I seriously think-
JOEL: You're not gonna clap whether someone worked on it or not!
MONTY: Yea.
JOEL: You're not gonna clap regardless!
GAVIN: Who's gonna care-
JOEL: That’s your excuse!
GAVIN: I just sat there in my room with a laptop I’m not gonna clap.
MONTY: What if- What if
JOEL: Geoff was probably in the next room he would have heard.
JACK: Probably.
GAVIN: Was Geoff in that episode?
JACK: You live in a house of about 20 people I think?
MONTY: Well grif was in the episode so-
JACK: Yeah.
MONTY: Geoff was
JACK: There you go.
MONTY: I’ve yet to voice anyone relevant in the show. 3 years here and I still haven’t voiced anyone. Which is-
JOEL: Neither has- Neither has Jack.
JACK: Neither has Joel.
JOEL: Neither have I
MONTY: Yea yea….
GUS: We’re down to the insulting portion of the Podcast?
JACK: Yeah.
GUS: I hate you too!
GAVIN: Your-
JACK: You’re stupid!
GAVIN: Your face
GUS: Your face. Your face!
GAVIN: No, your face!
MONTY: All aside I’m sure we talked about RTX but it was pretty awesome like a lot of people showed up for my panel I wish we could have fit people more- fit more people in like, Gus, they overflow and they have to cut people off I got people all weekend telling me how they wanted to make it in but they got cut off
JACK: Way to go Gus
GUS: Yeah we’re gonna have bigger panel rooms uhhh next year
MONTY: I’m- I’m excited for next year, RTX 2013. This one was awesome and its, yea, its gonna be really cool
GUS: It was a good learning experience. We uh, I feel we did some things right, and we learned what we didn’t do right.
MONTY: Do you feel like your should- your should have like- you should have- like make an RTX room review, you know like- Do people- I’m sure people review- review the con.
GUS: Oh yeah there’s been tons-
JACK: Journals and stuff
GUS: of feedback
JOEL: Don’t let Joel on stage with alcohol.
JACK: no no it was fun like I did the geeks who drink event and we ended up uhhh- God we had a great time there, but we had enough room for like- we added- I thought our capacity was 200 but I walk in there and it was “okay you can fit about 90 people. “ I was like ohhhhh god dammit
JOEL: Awwwww
MONTY: Geez
JACK: So like I ended up having to fill the room like we didn’t have enough tables we only had enough tables for 90. We ended up putting another- about 45 other seats worth- where we made- pretended there was a table there and made circles of seats. We filled all those up and then we had people sitting on the floor. Like we were just getting as many people as we could and even after that-
MONTY: how many you think total were in there?
JACK: we walked outside. I think we had maybe… 175 close to 200 or something like that.
MONTY: Was this on Saturday?
JACK: Yeah Saturday night. So- but then I walked outside and personally apologized in the people in line like I’m so sorry I probably had to turn away 100 to 200 more people. So it was like man
GAVIN: So why did you think it was only- Why did you think it was 200 when it was only 90
GUS: Cause there were- the- the size of the room and how many tables it accommodated was one thing but- there were not the same number of tables put in than what we expected.
JACK: Yeah.
GAVIN: Oh okay.
JACK: So the tables took up more space than a normal row of chairs so the room had a normal capacity of 330 and with the tables, you know, that kills a lot of space cause you have a table in front of you but for a trivia type thing you need something in front of you and the circles worked out well.
MONTY: so yeah fuck the tables just sardine everyone in there
JACK: Wow.
GUS: Yea the size of table they needed was not a standard table that was not provided by the convention center so there was no floor plan for it.
JOEL: See this fits in the conversation you had before RTX we just had a meeting about how we’re-
GUS: Yea.
JOEL: gonna cut a hole in the table and there it is.
GUS: Yup.
JOEL: That- That’s the thing-
JACK: But all and all everyone who was there in the room had a great time like I feel bad for the people who didn’t make it in I know- I don’t know if we completely sold out or completely filled up the uh the music so I think people can still get into that no problem. But still. No RTX was amazing I mean it was a lot of fun I think this is the first time I’ve been on since RTX
GUS: Is it?
JACK: Yeah I think so. Cause I was-
GUS: You were at Comic-con
JACK: I was at Comic-con yea
MONTY: Yea me too
JACK: So I was ummm
JOEL: So how was Comic-Con?
JACK: Comic-Con was awesome it was a lot of fun like I know the booth was great we- so we- we had 6 giant boxes of grifballs and we- what we did was we saved 3 for the first half, and 3 for the second half. And I think- how many griffballs is that? About 250 300
GUS: Yeah something like that
JACK: So ummm the first batch of grifballs sold out on preview night, so over the course of 2 hours and we had our second batch of grifballs we were telling people people “Hey Saturday morning we’re gonna have more grifballs. And they sold out in about 2 hours.
JOEL: Yeah. Wow.
JACK: So it’s like holy crap and people kept coming and asking for it and uhh it was awesome. I mean like, it’s kinda tough going somewhere like RTX where we literally have a convention hall worth of space, down to a 10x10 booth. So-
GUS: Yea.
JACK: It was a little bit of kinda a shock to the system to be like “uhhhhh shoot” but yea anyways we- it was awesome Barbara and Caleb and Jordan really kicked ass at the booth and uh I was there and I came with my girlfriend and she dressed up like a really hot elf and that was a lot of fun to watch.
GUS: Yeah that was not a distraction in the booth at all.
JACK: No. Not at all. Not at all. But no more people were coming by the booth, to check out what was going on like “Hey what’s going on here? What’s crate?” But umm anyway we had a good time walking around and met a lot of cool people, we- I saw the tri-force guys there.
GUS: Yeah I keep seeing you in- I don’t know if you go to the Rooster Teeth Sub-Reddit much or not but I keep seeing videos people take at San Diego Comic-Con and it’s “OMG I can’t believe Jack is in my video” and it’s Jack walking around in the video and I could identify him with that fucking beard.
JACK: Yea Yea.
GUS: It’s like, “That’s Jack Alright.”
JACK: I’m pretty easy to spot. But umm yea Halo 4 was there so we went and we saw Allison and Jessica and all those people like they they literally left from RTX to go out to Comic-Con as well so that was neat we hung out with the Mega 64 guys and
GUS: They were next to us this year.
GAVIN: Th-that they sniff out money. N-Not drugs.
GUS: Yeah.
JACK: do they- do they shave them?
GUS: No they don’t shave them.
GAVIN: How does a dog know that someone’s got too much money?
GUS: I think it just hits if- it-it smells-
JOEL: Th-the question is what does money smell like?
GUS: Cocaine?
JOEL: Probably like dead skins cells n’… blehhh!
GAVIN: There was a thing going on in my town, this was back in England, I was talking to some people, where they’re about to rip out all the copper from the- they’re just gonna replace all the internet with fiber optic, and they’re gonna- it’s gonna cost a lot of money to
do it. But they’re gonna make more money just selling the copper that’s already there.
GUS: Really?
JOEL: Yeah, that makes sense.
GAVIN: But they’re gonna make a-all the money back, and more, just selling the copper. It’s
crazy.
GUS: So fiber is cheaper than copper?
GAVIN: I f- I guess it is.
GUS: It’s- it’s cheaper enough that they can dig out the old shit and put in new shit and still make money in that?
GAVIN: Well I guess they’re making enough fiber to cover the whole country and each town’s got enough copper-
JOEL: Where is this- where is this?
GAVIN: It’s my… It’s in England.
JOEL: In England?
GAVIN: Yeah.
GUS: That seems fucking ridiculous to me.
GAVIN: Yeah.
GUS: That’s crazy.
GAVIN: Yeah. There’s probably a lot of copper under there. It’s an- it’s an odd place.
GUS: Uhmmm… d- yeah th-there’s always those stories about people who decide they want to steal copper? It happened here in Austin a couple years ago. Some idiot broke into like a power substation to steal copper?
JOEL: Yeah?
GUS: And got like electrocuted and died. ‘Cause he like touched live w- high voltage wires in a fucking substation.
JACK: That’s always smart.
GUS: Yeah. It seems like as time goes on…
JOEL: I’m going to- by the way, I’m on Danjitsu’s page?
JACK: Oh no.
JOEL: And informing him that I can’t quite give him my award yet ‘cause I haven’t gotten any alcohol from him.
JACK: T- we were supposed t- like we were- there was- there was more awards on the way right? I think like three years ago when I started working here it was like, “Oh yeah hey, we didn’t give you your award.” And then they actually drew one up and I never got it.
GUS: Yeah we actually made awards for everyone, I don’t know what happened to them.
JACK: Well I- like we had the like second wave awards, I wasn’t there, and then that just never happened. That was- that was like two years ago!
GUS: Yeah it was like 2 years ago.
JACK: So what- so what happened?
GUS: iunnuh. You should talk to the Director of Technology, find out what the status of that is!
JACK: A-A-At that time you were the Director of Technology.
GUS: Yeah but I dunno, I-I-I’m not in tha-that anymore.
JACK: Uhhggg, you passed on everything?
GUS: Tha… That’s a- that’s an Adam question.
JACK: Jesus.
GUS: Tha- I’m- I’m more busy. I’m too busy now with the podcast.
JACK: Gus, I wanna talk about Breaking Bad so bad.It’s such a-
GUS: Well let’s talk about it without spoiling it.
JACK: Uh I don’t know if I-
GAVIN: Well you talked about the end of season 4 right?
GUS: Y-
JACK: Uhhhhhhhh… At this point, yes, it’s-it’s been odd for over a year- no wait- yeah over a year. ‘Cause-
GAVIN: His face would blown in half! His face came off! HIS FACE CAME OUT OF-
JOEL: They-they told you in the title of the episode. The title of the episode was “Face Off”.
GAVIN: It’s true.
JACK: Yeah.
JOEL: Yeah it’s great.
GAVIN: Those titles are very clever ‘cause you think nothing of ‘em and then it’s like ahh, I get it.
JACK: Yeah.
GAVIN: Once the episode’s done…
JACK: Well they’re- they’re some cool stuff, like the beginning of season 4, when they were in Gale’s apartment, because season 4 begins with the aftermath of Jessie shooting Gale in the face right?
GUS: Right.
JACK: So it begins with uhhhhh… Not Vic- is it Victor? Was he the guy who went to the- he was the one with- the first episode was box cutter where Gus is just-
GUS: Yeah.
JACK: -straight up murders that guy. But he goes there, and he’s looking around the apartment, and one of the things he sees in the apartment is like this- this painting of a face that has like half of it removed.
GAVIN: Oh so a bit foreshadowing going on.
JACK: Yeah.
GAVIN: On uhh… hmm.
JACK: Yeah so I remember when that episode, that final episode came out, people were like, y’know connecting all that stuff-
GUS: Yeah.
JACK: -they also showed-
GUS: Pe-People also speculated remember in the- in- remember in season 2 after the plane crash-
JACK: Yeah.
GUS: -the bear floating in the pool with like half of its face-
JACK: Ohhh.
GUS: -blowing up.
JOEL: Yeah, tha-that that eyeball rolling around for a while.
GAVIN: It s- it seems like the end of season 4 was actually a conclusion, like it could’ve ended there. Like season 3 was a cliffhanger, in the middle of everything.
GUS: I think they were just not sure if there was going to be a season 5.
JACK: Yeah, they left a few dangling things…
GAVIN: I don’t know what it is-
JOEL: God how could they- how could they not- I-I mean surely they’re doing well in the ratings right?
GUS: We- they-they- well it’s an expensive show to produce apparently. There was- there was- there was- it was a very last minute deal to get this uhh fifth season-
JACK: Yeah.
GUS: -from uhhh AMC.
JOEL: I don’t understand it man, I mean AMC’s like killin’ it.
JACK: Yeah.
JOEL: Like killin’ it.
JACK: Well they’re killin’ it but they don’t support their shows, like Walking Dead, y’know, you heard what happened on one of the second seasons of Walking Dead.
JOEL: Well I don’t really mind- they’re not getting the ad revenue I guess?
JACK: I have no idea, I mean like Madmen-
JOEL: It’s y-
JACK: -I imagine Madmen is the most expensive one.
JOEL: -take all that revenue takes forever to catch up to what’s going on.
JACK: Yeah.
JOEL: It seems like ad revenue just takes forever to figure out where actual viewers are.
JACK: Yeah.
JOEL: I mean…
JACK: It’s we- yeah, it’s weird, I mean but-
JOEL: I-I-I I mean look at us. But whatever.
JACK: Wh- What, has ad revenue caught up to us yet? Are we seeing-
JOEL: The internet? I mean…
JACK: I guess we always have sponsors for the podcast now, so it only took what? Two and a half years to get sponsors?
GUS: I-It took two decades.
JACK: Two decades.
GAVIN: There’s something very specifically about CG in the- from what I’ve seen… CG looks so organically good when it’s combined with someone’s face.
JACK: Yeah.
GAVIN: Like-
JACK: Like-
JOEL: We-w-w-w-w-w-
GAVIN: -Dark Knight looks like his face is half off.
JOEL: Well it looks like his face is inconsistent, like matter seems like it’s easier. Y’know the muddier it is it seems like-
GAVIN: It just looked- It like kind of pans around, it’s like half of his face is off. It looks so. Real. And good, and so did Harvey Dent’s face in Dark Knight.
JACK: Yeah that was pretty amazing.
GAVIN: I mean you can’t even- you can’t even- it’s unbelievable.
JACK: Dude, yeah. When he walks out of that room and like adjusts his tie-
GAVIN: Yeah!
JACK: -drops. It’s like, ohhhhhh.
GUS: I-I had to like stop it, and I rewound it like instantly as I wa-
JACK: That’s so good.
GUS: -watched it on Zoon on my Xbox, I was like,” WHAT THE FUCK!?”
JACK: Yeah. Mr-Mr. Ding Ding was like hitting the button track-
GUS: Senior Ding Ding.
JACK: Senior Ding Ding.
GAVIN: And it’s all one shot as well like, it just goes from Gus stands up and then the door just busted out into the hall-
JACK: Yeah.
GAVIN: -and then just the same shot. And then-
JACK: It was a violent explosion!
GAVIN: -yeah it was like KEEKUUHHH! It’s no fire, it’s just like BOUUUFFF.
JACK: Yeah. So like a -
GAVIN: Compressive force.
JACK: -compression explosion.
GAVIN: We’ve tal-
GUS: So-
GAVIN: Recently Gus about you were saying how when there’s an explosion, some… it’s like a-
GUS: Oh yeah.
GAVIN: -concussive force the body just can’t survive, it just dies.
GUS: Yeah, y-y-you’re just- your nervous system turns off. That’s why a lot of times, a lot of our weapons artillery, they don’t have to blow up or create an explosion in you, they just have to hit you with a strong enough concussive wave-
GAVIN: Such as like the sound wave that just bashes you.
GUS: Yeah, i-it just shuts of your- your brain stem and your nervous system, you just die.
JACK: That’s trippy.
GAVIN: So are there people just like, dead on the ground with like no real injury?
GUS: Right, just like the shock wave hits them and that’s it. They look totally fine.
GAVIN: ‘Cause I- I filmed some explosions back- when I used to film stuff in slow motion where we would like blow up an a thousand pound bomb from like a mile away, and obviously in real time it’s just like Bhu! You see the light and then it’s like Buh-Bhew and it hits you. But… in slow motion you get this dome of like…
GUS: Yeah pressure.
GAVIN: It’s like, y-you just see it a-
JOEL: Yeah.
GAVIN: It’s like a bubble shield in Halo, it just gets b-
JOEL: I feel like tha- as the sonic uhh… I don’t know what it is.
GAVIN: It’s just like the- the ripple in the sound, it just pushes out.
GUS: Mmhmm.
JACK: Yeah th-they- you see it on MythBusters a lot when they’re blowin’ up big stuff.
GAVIN: Yeah.
JACK: You know, we- we watched an episode of MythBusters recently. That it wa- it was the episode was… It was a guy with a guy with a fire extinguisher and a guy with a flamethrower.
GAVIN: Oh yeah.
JACK: And they were facing off each other. And then they like shot ‘em at each other at the same time. And then this video it would hit in the middle and then kind of like y’know, dissipate or whatever? And they were like okay we’re gonna see if this is actually true, if this was f- this was a music video.
GAVIN: And they were like referencing this music video.
JACK: Yeah, and so-
GAVIN: Well is this so real.
JACK: Yeah they were like, “This is pretty cool but we’re gonna see if we can, like recr- like
recreate this.
JOEL: Wh-wh- what exactly are they testing?
JACK: Well they’re seeing if- they’re seeing if fire beats water.
JOEL: Oh I see.
JACK: But you know, it was a fire extinguisher and there was fire-
JOEL: You can’t shoot a fire extinguisher-
GUS: Wait, fire extinguisher and a fire?
JACK: Y-Yeah.
GUS: oh I thought it was water.
JACK: No no, it was a fire extinguisher facing off against a flamethrower-
GUS: Okay.
JACK: -and then- so it’s just two guys kind of like this hillbilly lookin’ guy shooting at a b- it was for a music video, and we were watching it. We were actually at Geoff’s place, and Gavin walks over and he goes, “Oh yeah, I shot that.”
GAVIN: Yeah.
JACK: Yeah, it was- it was-
GAVIN: It was-
JACK: it was a fucking music video-
GAVIN: -It was a music video.
JACK: -Gavin shot.
JOEL: So did they do it on set?
MONTY: Did it work?
GUS: Did th-they stop the fire?
JACK: Yeah eventually like they- the fire extinguisher they had like wasn’t- they were using a normal one and it wasn’t shooting off far enough so they’d like build a fire extinguisher to like go th-th-the distance that the flamethrower would go, but ultimately they got it to work.
GUS: Hm.
JACK: But, it’s funny because like Gav’s like, “Oh yeah that’s- that’s totally real. ‘Cause I was- I was there.”
JOEL: Now did you guys applaud at the end of the episode?
JACK: No.
JOEL: Because Gav had worked on it?
GAVIN: Do you have an issue-
JACK: W-W-Well the whole point-
JOEL: You’d worked on the episode so clearly you need to-
GUS: So you deserve applause.
GAVIN: Yeah. Clap it up.
JACK: Wait what? I think I missed that part.
JOEL: Yeah…
GAVIN Do you- do you have an issue with the fact that I don’t clap at a movie?
JACK: You don’t clap at movies?
GAVIN: Do you clap at movies?
JACK: On- big premiers, sure!
GAVIN: Did you clap at Dark Knight?
JACK: Uhhh ffff- on Thursday yeah.
GAVIN: Who are you clapping for?
JACK: The-the- everyone with the spirit of theatre.
GUS: THE SPIRIT OF THEATRE.
GAVIN: Do you wanna leave now, or what? Are you gonna say more things after that?
JACK: No that’s-
JOEL: You’re just clapping because the people around… weren’t talking or texting him, so he was like applauding the fact that he wasn’t getting-
JACK: Alright, tho- did we- did we talk about talking and texting during the movies?
GUS: Yes.
JACK: We did?
GUS: Yeah we did.
JACK: I talked about certain people sitting-
GAVIN: I gave a day with that for a long time.
JACK: Okay.
GUS: We outted them.
JACK: God.
GUS: For being bad movie-goers.
JACK: It’s at the Drafthouse too! Come on man! Although there was no- we didn’t have-
JOEL: I-I d-
JACK: We didn’t have the stinger, the no talking stinger before-
GUS: Yeah.
JACK: -our- our-
GAVIN: Did you guys-
JACK: -our screen.
MONTY: I… I was asleep. I- I wanted to go but… RvB 10 has been killing me. I just wanted to come in and talk about that, but y’know, it’s a lot to do, so I’ll get back to work. RvB 10’s looking great though.
GAVIN: Episode 8 just came out right?
MONTY: Yeah. Yeah but that was the stuff from PAX East so like we kinda had a- like a buffer but we’re chasing- we’re chasing thing like… some really good sequences coming up. I got a- we got a lot of- I-I took a bit of break. I don’t really take a break but I st- I was away from my desk for awhile *sniff* so I’m coming back with a lot of really good scenes, we just kind of gotta… chase that uhh deadline now.
GAVIN: It’s been awhile since I’ve been back there to see what you’re working on, I’m gonna-
JOEL: We don’t have to cut at the fire extinguisher flamethrower scene in we-
JACK: We need to have the clapper.
MONTY: No flamethrower sequence in this season. Spoiler for that, ‘cause you know… That was a pain in the ass last year. But I have new stuff coming it’s-
JOEL: is fire a pain in the ass to work with in CG?
MONTY: Euhhh it is and it isn’t. My version is actually really easy but we did a version that was harder last year?
JOEL: What’s a- what’s the hardest thing?
MONTY: Hardest thing is people.
JOEL: People?
MONTY: People are hard man.
GUS: Do you think that’s because people have, or the viewer has more experience looking at faces?
MONTY: That’s- that’s exactly the reason. Yeah.
GAVIN: I shot a video recently of a Molotov cocktail exploding on the side of a house, it’s slow motion, I want to show it to you.
JACK: It’s soo good.
GAVIN: It looks pretty-
JACK: It looks- it looks fake, it looks so-
GAVIN: I-It does! There’s some- there’s a point where like… liquid and just elemental stuff like fire, really slow down looks-
MONTY: Can I… Can I- can I have and use that footage for our season?
GAVIN: Sure. Good luck cutting it out from the brick wall I threw it at.
JACK: Y’know this- this episode that came out this week I think I have a cameo in the episode. I’m not sure, I think at the beginning i-i-it s-
JOEL: Gav, did you applaud at the end of the episode?
GAVIN: I didn’t, I’m sorry.
JACK: It’s uhh, like it’s- it’s Pilot, she’s- she’s telling us-
MONTY: Oh she’s yelling at that-
JACK: Yeah, she’s telling the guy to move things around.
MONTY: That’s you right?
JACK: I think that’s me grunting. So there’s literally that “ughhh” “urrmmm”
GAVIN: You can recognize your own grunt?
JOEL: So- So
JACK: I seriously think-
JOEL: You're not gonna clap whether someone worked on it or not!
MONTY: Yea.
JOEL: You're not gonna clap regardless!
GAVIN: Who's gonna care-
JOEL: That’s your excuse!
GAVIN: I just sat there in my room with a laptop I’m not gonna clap.
MONTY: What if- What if
JOEL: Geoff was probably in the next room he would have heard.
JACK: Probably.
GAVIN: Was Geoff in that episode?
JACK: You live in a house of about 20 people I think?
MONTY: Well grif was in the episode so-
JACK: Yeah.
MONTY: Geoff was
JACK: There you go.
MONTY: I’ve yet to voice anyone relevant in the show. 3 years here and I still haven’t voiced anyone. Which is-
JOEL: Neither has- Neither has Jack.
JACK: Neither has Joel.
JOEL: Neither have I
MONTY: Yea yea….
GUS: We’re down to the insulting portion of the Podcast?
JACK: Yeah.
GUS: I hate you too!
GAVIN: Your-
JACK: You’re stupid!
GAVIN: Your face
GUS: Your face. Your face!
GAVIN: No, your face!
MONTY: All aside I’m sure we talked about RTX but it was pretty awesome like a lot of people showed up for my panel I wish we could have fit people more- fit more people in like, Gus, they overflow and they have to cut people off I got people all weekend telling me how they wanted to make it in but they got cut off
JACK: Way to go Gus
GUS: Yeah we’re gonna have bigger panel rooms uhhh next year
MONTY: I’m- I’m excited for next year, RTX 2013. This one was awesome and its, yea, its gonna be really cool
GUS: It was a good learning experience. We uh, I feel we did some things right, and we learned what we didn’t do right.
MONTY: Do you feel like your should- your should have like- you should have- like make an RTX room review, you know like- Do people- I’m sure people review- review the con.
GUS: Oh yeah there’s been tons-
JACK: Journals and stuff
GUS: of feedback
JOEL: Don’t let Joel on stage with alcohol.
JACK: no no it was fun like I did the geeks who drink event and we ended up uhhh- God we had a great time there, but we had enough room for like- we added- I thought our capacity was 200 but I walk in there and it was “okay you can fit about 90 people. “ I was like ohhhhh god dammit
JOEL: Awwwww
MONTY: Geez
JACK: So like I ended up having to fill the room like we didn’t have enough tables we only had enough tables for 90. We ended up putting another- about 45 other seats worth- where we made- pretended there was a table there and made circles of seats. We filled all those up and then we had people sitting on the floor. Like we were just getting as many people as we could and even after that-
MONTY: how many you think total were in there?
JACK: we walked outside. I think we had maybe… 175 close to 200 or something like that.
MONTY: Was this on Saturday?
JACK: Yeah Saturday night. So- but then I walked outside and personally apologized in the people in line like I’m so sorry I probably had to turn away 100 to 200 more people. So it was like man
GAVIN: So why did you think it was only- Why did you think it was 200 when it was only 90
GUS: Cause there were- the- the size of the room and how many tables it accommodated was one thing but- there were not the same number of tables put in than what we expected.
JACK: Yeah.
GAVIN: Oh okay.
JACK: So the tables took up more space than a normal row of chairs so the room had a normal capacity of 330 and with the tables, you know, that kills a lot of space cause you have a table in front of you but for a trivia type thing you need something in front of you and the circles worked out well.
MONTY: so yeah fuck the tables just sardine everyone in there
JACK: Wow.
GUS: Yea the size of table they needed was not a standard table that was not provided by the convention center so there was no floor plan for it.
JOEL: See this fits in the conversation you had before RTX we just had a meeting about how we’re-
GUS: Yea.
JOEL: gonna cut a hole in the table and there it is.
GUS: Yup.
JOEL: That- That’s the thing-
JACK: But all and all everyone who was there in the room had a great time like I feel bad for the people who didn’t make it in I know- I don’t know if we completely sold out or completely filled up the uh the music so I think people can still get into that no problem. But still. No RTX was amazing I mean it was a lot of fun I think this is the first time I’ve been on since RTX
GUS: Is it?
JACK: Yeah I think so. Cause I was-
GUS: You were at Comic-con
JACK: I was at Comic-con yea
MONTY: Yea me too
JACK: So I was ummm
JOEL: So how was Comic-Con?
JACK: Comic-Con was awesome it was a lot of fun like I know the booth was great we- so we- we had 6 giant boxes of grifballs and we- what we did was we saved 3 for the first half, and 3 for the second half. And I think- how many griffballs is that? About 250 300
GUS: Yeah something like that
JACK: So ummm the first batch of grifballs sold out on preview night, so over the course of 2 hours and we had our second batch of grifballs we were telling people people “Hey Saturday morning we’re gonna have more grifballs. And they sold out in about 2 hours.
JOEL: Yeah. Wow.
JACK: So it’s like holy crap and people kept coming and asking for it and uhh it was awesome. I mean like, it’s kinda tough going somewhere like RTX where we literally have a convention hall worth of space, down to a 10x10 booth. So-
GUS: Yea.
JACK: It was a little bit of kinda a shock to the system to be like “uhhhhh shoot” but yea anyways we- it was awesome Barbara and Caleb and Jordan really kicked ass at the booth and uh I was there and I came with my girlfriend and she dressed up like a really hot elf and that was a lot of fun to watch.
GUS: Yeah that was not a distraction in the booth at all.
JACK: No. Not at all. Not at all. But no more people were coming by the booth, to check out what was going on like “Hey what’s going on here? What’s crate?” But umm anyway we had a good time walking around and met a lot of cool people, we- I saw the tri-force guys there.
GUS: Yeah I keep seeing you in- I don’t know if you go to the Rooster Teeth Sub-Reddit much or not but I keep seeing videos people take at San Diego Comic-Con and it’s “OMG I can’t believe Jack is in my video” and it’s Jack walking around in the video and I could identify him with that fucking beard.
JACK: Yea Yea.
GUS: It’s like, “That’s Jack Alright.”
JACK: I’m pretty easy to spot. But umm yea Halo 4 was there so we went and we saw Allison and Jessica and all those people like they they literally left from RTX to go out to Comic-Con as well so that was neat we hung out with the Mega 64 guys and
GUS: They were next to us this year.